Rep. Curtis Bowers: Apologize or Resign

Idaho Politics: Guest Opinion

By Eileen Wight, 1-21-08

Two weeks ago, state Rep. Curtis Bowers of Caldwell wrote an opinion published in the Idaho Press-Tribune in which he claimed that feminism, environmentalism and the gay movement were part of a communist plot to “take America down.” According to his account, he learned this at a communist strategy meeting at the University of California, Berkeley in 1992, which he attended in disguise out of curiosity.

This would be laughed off as silly if it came from just anyone. However, Rep. Bowers is a legislator and his attempt to scare Idahoans with imagined threats of communism is inconceivable when actual threats like terrorism still exist; his attempt to distract with manufactured issues is irresponsible when real issues, such as safe roads, quality education and good jobs require cooperation and problem-solving; and his attempt to foster contention with divisive rhetoric is insulting when as Idahoans, whether by birth or by choice, we all call this place home.

Rep. Bowers’ goal, it seems, was to pit neighbor against neighbor by targeting three groups of people: feminists, environmentalists and gay rights advocates. According to him, these groups share blame for the destruction of families, business and culture. In fact, his enemies list may include you.

1. Do you agree that women should have the right to vote? If so, then you’re a feminist.

2. Do you enjoy hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, skiing or other recreational activities in Idaho and do you agree that the ability to participate in these activities ought to be preserved for your children and grandchildren? If so, then you’re an environmentalist.

3. Are you among the 63% of Idahoans who, according to a recent BSU survey, agreed that it should be illegal to fire a person because they are or are perceived to be gay? If so, then you’re a gay rights advocate.

If you answered “yes” to any of these three, you are among those Rep. Bowers has accused of being unpatriotic communist sympathizers. Having answered “yes” to all three, and being offended by his accusations, I was prompted to take action.

Starting with only an online petition and just a handful of emails, people from every corner of Idaho have joined in this non-partisan effort urging Rep. Bowers to either apologize for his divisive and absurd accusations or resign his office.

As we celebrate the life of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., it might be appropriate to recall lines from his most famous speech, still powerful and relevant some forty-five years removed, “I have a dream today that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men [and women] are created equal.’”

Join us in sending that message to Rep. Bowers.

Eileen Wight lives in Nampa.

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By flounder, 1-21-08

This is a good start, but obviously Curtis Bowers has friends in high places, and his views are symptomatic of a bigger movement of Republicans into what I call an American Taliban. Not only do they think you are communists, they want to kill you and fundamentally destroy America and the values under which it was created.
This movement is popular, and includes those Republicans running for President:
Mike Huckabee and his friend George Grant jointly penned a book called "Kids who Kill". The central thesis of this book is that America is going to be destroyed by "abortion, environmentalism, AIDS, pornography, drug abuse, and homosexual activism". Huckabee has ties to the "reconstructionist" movement which advocates reforming the US as a Christianist state. Some of these reconstructionists advocate public stoning for homosexuality and infidelity (on this note, Dave Lewis, a State Legislator in Montana recently wrote that "The thought of a US Senator chasing love in all the wrong places makes me think longingly of the Ayotollahs in Iran. They would just kill the turkey.").
The scoop on Huckabee and his ties to the American Taliban is exposed at Salon in the two fllowing articles:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/01/18/huckabee/
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/01/18/huckabee_connections/
Curtis Bowers, Huckabee, Dave Lewis, and the rest of this Taliban should not be asked to apologize, exposed and mocked in order to repudiate the entire loathsome movement.

By Bill Croke, 1-21-08

Well, Eileen, so much for the First Amendment. I don't know what we'd do without watchdog totalitarians like you. Cheers.

By Sisyphus, 1-21-08

Geez Bill, you'd probably keep electing leaders who continue to erode the Bill of Rights. Nobody is denying Austin Bowers his right to free speech. Just holding a politician accountable for stupid things that come out of his mouth. If you're a friend I might suggest you take the shovel from him soon. He's made himself vulnerable in a safe seat.

I view Mr. Bowers comments as either, how he really views the political world right now or, just ridiculous rhetoric designed to incite his campaign base. Since he is not nor has he ever been engaged in a campaign for his own election it can't be the latter. He has few Democrats to run against in that district anyway. And if its the former then Eilleen demonstrates how ridiculous and polarizing his comments are.

I might add, since he attacks a non-existent threat in a specious attempt to undermine Democrats, that he's actually the proponent of single party rule, not Eileen. He has unequivocally demonstrated that he has no use for bipartisanship.

By Bruce, 1-22-08

Problem is....he's right. Check out the released KGB archives and their admitting putting key people in feminist organizations, the environmental movement, and even go old 60s rock and roll.
Check out history before you condemn the guy.

By flounder, 1-22-08

How could he possibly be right? He claims to have heard about this communist plot at a 1992 meeting. The KGB was disbanded on Nov. 6 1991. In order for the 1992 meeting to be in their archives they would have needed to invent a time machine, and if the KGB invented a time machine I doubt they would utilize it to go hang out with hippies and smoke weed in Berkeley as part of a master plot to destroy America (and on that note I think your assertion that the USSR was going to destroy the US by turning Jan and Dean or the Herman's Hermits red is equally silly).
If you are going to make stuff up you should at least make it fit a timeline that isn't debunked in 5 seconds using Google. Check out history before you make stuff up.

By Bruce, 1-23-08

Your fingers broken? Take your own advice. Google isn't the definitive source on this stuff. Get off your duff and do the work.

By Sisyphus, 1-23-08

Um, Bruce it seems the burden of proof is on the newly appointed Representative. Why would we need to prove up the outlandish statements of Austin Bowers?

Right now my choice is that Democrats are closet communists seeking to destroy America or that Democrats simply want women and gays to be treated like humans and for business to pay for the costs of polluting our air and water. Huh? the choice doesn't seem that hard to me.

And didn't you guys get the memo? Communism is dead. The bogeyman de jour is Islamofascism. They're coming to rape yer goats and steal yer virgins. Idaho proves yet again its twenty years out of date. No wonder we're hopelessly RED. I wish you guys would quit inventing enemies and do something productive like find us a cure for cancer.

By Bruce, 1-23-08

For all you Google academics...this is the way you show how you're loosing the arguement, as evidenced above.
Show me, show us, show the rest of the world that communism is dead.
What coffee table book do you get your news out of?
I know! I'll ask for Idaho to be designated a World Heritage Site.
The UN Foundation and UNESCO, courtesy of Sir Julian Huxley, should set up in YOUR backyard.
You guys read like conspiracy pilots on black helicopters.
By the way...I live in New Mexico. :)
Doesn't that just chap your ........! Some outsider inserting himself in your state's affairs.

By Lestia, 1-23-08

Seems to me like we should be afraid, very afraid, not of communists, but of our president, vice president, and a number of other elected officials, their cronies and pet corporations who are taking our country down with their gross ineptitude, foolish arrogance, reckless aggression, and unbridled greed.
Our communist enemies, if there are any that actually exist anymore, don't need to do a thing to bring this country to ruin. We are doing it to ourselves by putting these kinds of people in positions of power. Get out there and vote for a change!

By Sisyphus, 1-23-08

"loosing the arguement". Funniest rejoinder I've ever seen. Screw Google. Try using a dictionary. Then maybe you're ready for the internets.

Conspiracy? Hey Bruce we're not the ones conjuring commies out of thin air. Keep writing. Your fitting right in with Mr. Bowers.

By Jim Hyder, 1-23-08

When a fool is in charge (ie; George W.) people that think and know better will be the commies, liberals, or worst of all - Democrats. I am a Democrat and a card carrying member of the ACLU. I carry a quote around to that gives me courage all the time; but if by a "liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people, . . . If that is what they mean by a liberal. Then I'm proud to say I'm a liberal."
The other one is "I think therefore I am a liberal."
I believe we are all in this world together. Be you Muslim, Mormon, Christian, gay, lesbian, or anything in between we should have the ability to get along with each other and work toward a better future.

People like Rep. Bowers are only putting others down because they are so low themselves. Kinda like the school bully that is always flunking math yet is teasing those that know it and learn from it.

By flounder, 1-24-08

If you have proof that the KGB wasn't disbanded on Nov. 6 1991, please cite it. I stand by that date, and you said they were operating in 1992 and I believe you just make stuff up as needed to fit your paranoid worldview.

By Elizabeth J. Couture, 2-05-09

If you want to know the real truth, read the Bible. It is the most accurate record of history and it is filled with true stories and prophesies that have taken place and others that are close at hand. Revelation is in progress!
Rep. Bowers, you are right on! We are already knee deep in socialism. Our government is taking over!
May God reveal Himself to those who seek the truth!

By thedirtydemocrat, 2-05-09

Yessiree folks. Step right up and get your commie hanger. It is an Idaho tradition to condemn anything that is not Mormon or the Christian far out right.

I have a pin I wear everywhere. It says, truthfully, "The Christian Right Is Neither." A commie behind every tree or so I was taught in a Southern Idaho school. I was only 11 or 12 and believed it. I watched every stranger in my home town figuring he would be out at the local dam and blow that sucker. Then I got an education and looked further to see what was real and what was manure.

By Clayton, 10-29-10

To Flounder, by the way, it was a meeting by the communist Party USA. This was a meeting that one of Bowers professors at Burkley invited him to because the professor was unable to make it. If you actually would have watched the documentary Agenda, then you would know these simple facts. Also, I would encourage you to watch the movie, I think it is educational and informative. And while you may think, "Oh it HAS to be like this", things may not be the way that you actually think them to be.

By human, planet earth, 1-09-11

Wonder what the naysayers are saying about the premise of "Agenda" now?

By Craigmar, 1-10-11

I have to say that after watching the Movie AGENDA that tells the whole story of why Rep. Bowers made the movie and what the others involved in the discussion have to say it is hard not to see the reality of how we got where we are today. And why does every liberal have t bash George Bush? President Obama could put all of the criticism brought against him to rest if he would:
1. Show us his birth certificate (or)
2. Show us some proof of his college records (or)
3. Quit telling lies about his past ie: "My father fought in World War II" Which would have made either him or Obama's step-father the only 10 and eleven year olds in the military when the War ended.
4. Quit passing legislation without bringing it before the people and their representatives.
5. Quit lying about his relationship with radicals like Bill Ayers. Acorn, Rev. Wright etc.

Ad infinitum . . . . .

By Bob Merrill, 2-02-11

Not the old commie under every bed worry, again. No it is not again but communism is alive and well. It goes under the name of socialism. progressive, and many more. Who could we go to for clarity on communism and socialism? How about Karl Marx? He probably has more knowledge about the subject than most posters, and he is dead. Karl Marx, in his works, including The Communist Manifesto, says Socialism is Communism and is the first including the negation of the negation. Curtis Bowers is correct that communism is alive and well in the U.S.

Obama admits and espouses his communism. Read his first three books. Listen to his campqaoign speeches. Obama is a Bolshevik.

Another Idahoan, a retired LAPD detective captain spent 50 years on communism and has an 817 page book titled Executive Order and the Bolshevik Papers. Its on Amazon. Maybe you folks who deny the obvious should read Abe Lincoln who 173 years ago spoke of the destruction of America from within. Its is the Executive Order.

Keep laughing and mocking and showing your propagandization.

By Thedirtydemocrat, 2-03-11

Mr. Merrill, I don't agree with much of your input. Of course I couldn't agree more about the breakdown of communism as a form of government. It is alive, sorta, in China and North Korea. I don' think they have a KGB but one that would match up very well would be the Mossad of the zionist occupiers of Palestine called Israel.
It reall makes no difference in the grand scheme of things for America is supposed to be moving forward rather stay in the hole she was driven to by GWB and his company of thieves which gave money away to corporations and helped them ot ship entire businesses overseas, started two wars, packed the Supreme Court with neocons.
I still think Brewer is also a skunk in fact and will feel at home with the Aryan Nation.

By xSalamander, 3-16-11

I am pleased by all the optimistic previous comments about communism being dead. I wish it were. But the truth is that there is still communist China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Cuba, and many others. There are Marxist rebelions going on in parts of India as well as major parts of South and Central America.
And simply renaming the KGB doesn't mean it is gone. Putin was high up in the KGB an now he's the leader of Russia, by whatever title he is under.

By William Rivero, 3-23-11

Maybe we should watch his movie. See it for free at
http://blip.tv/file/4855773?utm_source=player_embedded

Watch Trailer or buy:
http://agendadocumentary.com/

Trailer at You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH8LkIqu1c8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

By Thedirtydemocrat, 3-23-11

It is hate groups like the Teabaggers and the neo-con-GOPers that have tried to scare the hell out of real Americans. The uneducated folks fall for this stuff like that movie Mr. Rivero thinks so much of.

Hate groups focus on the fear of the ill informed like the ones who watch FOX and listen to Limbaugh for their news. FOX is not allowed in Canada because they have a law that says their must be truth in reporting.

By digger, 3-24-11

Leading the hate groups today start with those like 'Thedirtydemocrat' who are so blinded by their hate and ignorance that they cannot see, hear or speak the truth and is the reason they dump on anyone that doesn't march in lock step with their mindset. They are ignorant of those calling for a smaller, representative government like the 'Tea Party', Rush Limbaugh or balanced news on Fox and Rep. Bowers. So for what they do not understand they choose to demonize instead of getting the facts which are easily found if they get beyond their prejudices, hatred and bigotry. Try learning for a change instead of getting your talking points from the alphabet soup lame stream media like ABC,CBS,NBC,MSNBC,NPR,PBS,CNN. Like William said, Maybe we should watch his movie. Then if you have questions, research, don't prejudge and learn since for too often you've thought it a character trait to have an open mind, the only thing is you haven't filled it with anything but foolishness.

See the movie for free at
http://blip.tv/file/4855773?utm_source=player_embedded

Watch Trailer or buy:
http://agendadocumentary.com/

Trailer at You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH8LkIqu1c8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

By Aram, 4-02-11

Rep. Bowers is absolutely right.I was born in Siberian prison camp and grew up in a communist country.Every single word out of his mouth is true.WAKE UP AMERICA.

By William, 4-22-11

Teabaggers are a Hate group? You're right. They hate excessive taxation, supporting lazy slobs, and a government that seeks to control every aspect of American life. Gee, sounds like these teabaggers are like the ones of Colonial America who fought to deliver us from such tyranny. Sounds like you need to be controlled.

By John Barbour, 5-11-11

Terrible article and comments. Eileen Wight needs to resign. Her article is filled with hasty generalizations, innuendo, lack of research, and ad hominum arguments. She is a feminist herself so she feels like she has to defend it. She needs to study the roots of her own movement which started in Russia with people like Sofia Perovskaya and Clara Zetkin who were the original terrorists. The tactics of terrorism are all communist. Wake up.

By John Barbour, 5-11-11

Ms Wright; "Rep. Bowers’ goal, it seems, was to pit neighbor against neighbor by targeting three groups of people: feminists, environmentalists and gay rights advocates."
No, it is communism's goal to pit classes against each other. You need to study a little more. Have you never heard of class warfare? And the labor theory of value. And "those greedy capitalists" etc. These are all Marxist ideas. Environmentalism is one of the best vehicles to take control of the planet. Feminism and the acceptance of homosexual behavior as normal are all ways of breaking down morals (which are taught in the family) Once morals are broken down - it is easier to take control.

By John Barbour, 5-11-11

Ms Wright, for some reason you think that feminism is just all about voting, you getting the job and opportunities and equal pay you want. It is much more than this. For as many women that it has "liberated" there are hundreds that it has made their lives worse because now they must work a job just to survive. Many have no husbands to help; another result of feminism and the sexual revolution. There is less and less protection of women as time goes on. Watch Lifetime sometime.

By The Dirty Democrat., 5-11-11

Boy, you guys like to argue alot about a subject that has been over for 2 years.
BTW, I did not lie about the FOX News not being allowed to broadcast in Canada. They have a "truth is advertising and broadcasting." Ceck it out before you push your own propaganda Mr. Goebels.
Happening to be gay or lesbian is not a crime, yet. Let's try to have a little equality in our lives and listen to all not your chosen few. Schools should teach what you can be not what you have to be. I did learn that in PS #41 Tuttle, Idaho.
I was taught to dream and act on it as well as I could and my parents encourged to care about people of all colors and creeds for I could learn from them and I have. I have learned tolerance and acceptance. Have you those values?

By John Barbour, 5-11-11

It's really not over. It is multi-generational. That's why the movie is called Agenda. You said your parents encouraged you to care about people of all colors etc. Exactly. It comes from the home and church. This is what is being broken down in our society. There are at least two ideas about tolerance. The traditional one has to do with people. The modern one has to do with ideas. We tolerate people but not their ideas necessarily. If their ideas lead them into crime- we do not tolerate that. We also do not tolerate evil in our own lives or in the lives of others. You mention Mr. Goebels. He too, was a socialist. His ideas like Lenin's were intolerable. Still are. They lead to the death of millions.

By The Dirty Democrat., 5-11-11

You got a little of that wrong about where I learned my values. It was in the military where I served with christian, jew, muslim, hindu, and some I didn't know what they were. But, I learned my values in the military where each person must depend on the other to stay alive and do the job as quickly and the best possible.
Church taught me those that dressed the best got the best pews up front of the church and that was about it. God is who I beleive in and who I ask for help when things seem to pile to high against me. Then I stop long enough to listen for the answer.
I read the Quran and the Bible. All good stories to follow in bad times, but I don't get dumb enough where I have to quote from it to cover what I do, right or wrong.

By John Barbour, 5-12-11

Dirtydemocrat I also served in the military (Marines). You must be careful here. They teach statist values. The state is absolute. As Hegel said, "the state is god walking on earth". Or as Marx secularized it and took god out but still relied on the state to bring in his utopia. So in this sense the state was god for Marx- actually if you study it; he was a Satanist. Hitler had the same idea. It started in Prussia. As far as the Quran and Bible goes - they are two contradictory texts. The Quran claims to be the final word of God because Mohammed taught that the Bible had become corrupted. The Jesus of the Quran is a different Jesus from the true Jesus of the Bible. The same is true of many characters. The Bible says that Jesus is the final word and the Quran says Mohammed is. They are contradictory.

By liberty girl, 5-13-11

What part of"opinion piece" do you not understand??

By The Dirty Democrat, 5-13-11

Thank you liberty girl. For the time being we still can have our own opinion. I have mine and I beleive in one God, as I understand Him/Her/It. What I dislike is some person pushing his/her opinion on me. That turns me off quickly.
BTW the Bible has a series of good stories as does the Quran. Do I have to beleive in them? NO. I use what makes sense, the rest I leave to the folks it makes sense to.
Bottom line any public official that spouts manure like Mr. Bowers needs fined or made to do some community service in a GLSM group to see that they are human beings just like you and just like me.

By John Barbour, 5-13-11

Me too. I get tired of people pushing their opinions like "any public official who spouts manure like Mr. Bowers needs to be fined or made to do community service in a GLSM group to see that they are human beings just like you and just like me".

By Ron Peercy, 5-17-11

I only recently became aware of Mr. Bowers' documentary. I bought 5 copies after watching the Trailer, and we watched it night before last. Mr. Barbour, I salute you, along with the others who who made at least open-minded comments here. As he says in his documentary, he was able to include "only a fraction" of the data he mined. Honestly, he not only scared, and made a believer out of me, I'm looking into options for best ways of getting the word out. There will always be those who react in the same vein as we've seen here, but if enough of us get involved, I believe there's still time. If you want to support this, and/or are already working with a group, please email me. patriot492000-general011 @yahoo.com

By John Barbour, 5-17-11

Ron Peercy, Thanks so much for your encouraging words. Believe it or not, I have been fighting this fight for almost 30 years. It is so heartening to see people like yourself. You are the one we need to salute. Humbling yourself and learning something new (a paradigm shift) is the hardest thing to do sometimes. Cheers. Keep me posted. I'm on facebook - look me up. It shouldn't be hard.

By The Southern Gentleman, 6-07-11

After all the reading here look up Saul Alinsky an see who was His two main protege's

By The Dirty Democrat, 6-08-11

I see the John Birch Society, though pretty much dead in twenty-first century society is well and polluting in Idaho.

By John Barbour, 6-08-11

No, Dirty Democrat, you just thought the John Birch Society was dead. It has been alive and well and keeping liberty and constitutional ideas alive in those who are willing to listen. The problem in not with the JBS, which lines up pretty well with the founding fathers and the original intent of this country; but rather the problem is with the socialistic/communistic/atheistic/fascist ideas that came over from Europe with the Prussian school & PhD system and has brainwashed a couple of generations of American people with the same lies that gave Europe the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution, Nazi Germany, and Two World Wars. It was also exported to the East and destroyed Japan first and then divided Korea and murdered millions in China and SE Asia. It’s presently destroying the Middle East and now it’s ready for the biggest prize of all- the enslavement of the goose that lays the golden egg – America.

By The Dirty Democrat, 6-08-11

The zionists created in 1897 has taken over the control of JBS, GOP, and the Teabaggers. They are now in a position to bring down my United States of America which was the idol and pattern for all true democracies over the world.

By John Barbour, 6-08-11

Dirty Democrat: I thought you were the one that was mocking the idea of a commie under every tree. Now, its a zionist? Zionism and communism do have the same roots- so you are right in a strange way. You do give them a lot of credit, however.

By Buffalo, 6-27-11

Dirty Democrat: WE are NOT a democracy, we are a REPUBLIC. Check the difference, starting with Ben Franklin. Democracies devolve into oligarchies. The Zionists, as you refer to them, are in bed with Obama, seeking one world government. The Democrats have moved way left, just to the right of Socialists; Republicans now fill the slightly left of center position that was once Democrat territory. Since you call us Teabaggers, can we call you left wing scum? BTW, go to democratsagainstUNagenda21.com and see what some responsible Democrats think. Also, do you know what Communists do with Socialists when the Communists take power? You may want to find out soon.

By thedirtydemocrat, 6-28-11

Buffalo and John, I have been called better like liberal, tree-hugger, environmentalist, anti-CAFO. All of these I identify with and proudly.
You guys on the other hand I can't quite identify. You say you are patriotic yet think the John Birch Society is patriotic, but they are racist, with volumes of explanations of why that make no sense at all. JBS espouces no tax and basically no government controls at all. That is no republic that is anarchy.
The Republican Party of the 50s when working together was the norm not the exception of today. The present GOP seems hell-bent on destroying our nation and that is not patriotic.
I watched Agenda. It was just the right scent of manure I found prevelant in the new GOP. Very scary and not a damn bit patriotic. More dictator-like. Bush II would love that.

By John Barbour, 6-28-11

Dirtydemocrat: Maybe the first place to start is coming back to your Creator and confessing Jesus Christ as your Lord after repenting of worshipping the creation rather than the Creator
( Romans 1:25).

After that, things will become much clearer. You will understand the JBS and the movie better then as well. My wife was that way; she went for all the NOW feminist propaganda, abortion rights etc but then after she came to Christ all that changed.

I think you have just bought the propaganda. Have you met any Birchers and been involved in any way? I doubt it. JBS is not racist and it always stands for a Republic. The idea of no taxes may be a good idea but is not a plank of the JBS. The movie is against everything you say you are and has nothing to do with the GOP. I pray that you will come to the Lord. He makes all the difference.

Romans 1:20, 21,25 says this;" For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened…. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things (the environment) rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen."

By Buffalo, 6-28-11

Dirtydem: You didn't respond to my points, a typical left wing ploy; you just spout someone else's talking points. I did not mention the Republican Party except to say that it has moved way left to fill the former slot of the Democrats. I am no longer a Republican but I am not a John Bircher, either. I am an involved citizen, finally. John B: Romans 13:11-14

By John Barbour, 6-28-11

"And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh." (Romans 13:11-14) Good verse. It's the one that got St. Augustine.

By The Dirty Democrat., 6-28-11

My creator, John, was my litle red headed mom who was a worker in a house of ill repute in Carlin Nevada around January 1940. My birth father was an Irish handyman around the town. Call me anything you want because I have been called more. Beyond that you taking the bible sayings as an explanation sucks.
Yes, I have met Birchers in fact interviewed the local honcho here in Vegas. All he needed was a white hood and robe. He didn't come right out and say he was a hater, but all the evidence was there. He also told me he was for little or no regulations because they were just "in the way." He thought that "bombing the shit out to of the Middle East" was the best way to take care of our problems over there. (kinda like Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Chaney, and Bush et of the Bush Cartel)
Buffalo, most Republicans call themselves conservatives or Constitutional conservatives or Tea Party Conservatives and are blinded by the light from the left so they shy away from it. Because it is the coming of the golden dome of a new mosque near you. LOL

By Ron Peercy, 6-28-11

DirtyDem...Your words speak volumes, just not in the way you would like to think. It is abundantly clear that your mind is made up, and no truths or facts are going to be allowed to "mess with your mind." I suspect that you see yourself as some voice of.. what..sanity? the common man? Maybe you simply get a kick out of seeing your words of would-be wisdom in print. Sorry, too many of us have your number,and, just maybe, we will decide to let your uninformed posts go without response. Life is just too short. Glenn Beck was right.

By John Barbour, 6-28-11

I'm sorry Dirtydemocrat that you have had these experiences. Robert Welch would not have approved of anything that you say this man did. My best Bircher friend in CA was a black and I had Muslims in my chapter that were happy that America was founded as a Christian nation. It was a Bircher that exposed the KKK back in the 60's. I, for one, have not called you any name. If you can't think beyond your mother as your Creator then I do feel a little sorry for you. I will continue to pray. Las Vegas can have a way of skewing things but I have a good Christian friend here that is from Vegas and somehow he survived. No one is beyond God's reach. May you eventually find your peace with God.

By The Dirty Democrat., 6-28-11

Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave over your "Christian Nation" statement. I thought our country was founded on religious tolerance not of any special belief. I just feel that if you have to resort to bible quotes to try to win in any discussion you are a very uninformed of the facts of our country.
1. I beleive in equality of all people no matter their color, creed, or sexual orientation.
2. Women should be paid just as much as men for equal work and jobs.
3. I believe our country is on a downhill slide becase of the giveaways to the very rich during a war we never should have been in.
4. I am a patriot of my country and I vote for democracy and I participate in the process instead of cursing and moaning about what a lousy way some of our Congress is voting. I watch and I learn and I vote for the one who is working toward helping America.
When you come up to that level I will welcome a discussion with all of you or one or two of you. In the meantime look for me on facebook. Jim Hyder

By John Barbour, 6-28-11

Jefferson is not the only founding father. Patrick Henry is actually the one that said we were a Christian nation founded upon Christ. Others that would agree would be :
ABRAHAM BALDWIN (SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION): Chaplain in the American Revolution for two years.
ALBION PARRIS (GOVERNOR OF MAINE): Manager of the American Sunday School Union.
ALEXANDER HAMILTON (SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION): Proposed formation of the Christian Constitutional Society to spread Christian government to other nations.
ANDREW KIRKPATRICK (CHIEF-JUSTICE OF NEW JERSEY SUPREME COURT): Vice-President of the New Jersey Bible Society; Vice-President of the American Bible Society.
BENJAMIN LINCOLN (REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL; LT. GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS): Member of the Society for the Propagating of the Gospel among the Indians and Others.
BENJAMIN RUSH (SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION): Founder and manager of the Philadelphia Bible Society.
BUSHROD WASHINGTON (U. S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE): Vice-President of the American Bible Society; Vice-President of the American Sunday School Union.
CALEB STRONG (CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION; U. S. SENATOR; GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS): Vice-President of the American Bible Society.
CHARLES CARROLL, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
CHARLES COTESWORTH PINCKNEY (SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION): President of the Charleston Bible Society; Vice-President of the American Bible Society.
CHARLES GOLDSBOROUGH (GOVERNOR OF MARYLAND; U. S. REPRESENTATIVE): Vice-President of the American Bible Society.
DANIEL BOONE, REVOLUTIONARY OFFICER; LEGISLATOR
DANIEL TOMPKINS (GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK; VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE U. S.): Vice-President of the American Bible Society.
DANIEL WEBSTER
DAVID BREARLEY, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION
DAVID LAWRENCE MORRIL (GOVERNOR OF NEW HAMPSHIRE; U. S. SENATOR): Vice-President of the American Bible Society; Manager in the American Sunday School Union.
DEWITT CLINTON (GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK; U. S. SENATOR; INTRODUCED THE TWELFTH AMENDMENT): Manager and Vice-President of the American Bible Society.
ELLAS BOUDINOT (PRESIDENT OF THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS): Founder and first President of the American Bible Society;President of the New Jersey Bible Society; of the American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions; member of the Massachusetts Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge.
FELIX GRUNDY (U. S. ATTORNEY GENERAL; U. S. SENATOR; U. S. CONGRESSMAN): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
FRANCIS DANA (MEMBER OF CONTINENTAL CONGRESS; CHIEF JUSTICE OF MASSACHUSETTS SUPREME COURT; U. S. MINISTER TO RUSSIA): Member of the Society for Propagating the Gospel Among the Indians and Others.
FRANCIS SCOTT KEY (ATTORNEY; AUTHOR OF 'THE STAR-SPANGLED BANNER"): Manager and Vice-President of the American Sunday School Union.
GABRIEL DUVALL, SELECTED AS DELEGATE TO CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION; U. S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
GEORGE MADISON (GOVERNOR OF KENTUCKY): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
GEORGE MASON, FATHER OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS
GEORGE WASHINGTON
GOUVERNEUR MORRIS, PENMAN AND SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION
GUNNING BEDFORD, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION
INCREASE SUMNER (GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS): Member of the Society for Propagating the Gospel Among the Indians and Others.
ISAAC SHELBY (REVOLUTIONARY OFFICER; GOVERNOR OF KENTUCKY): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
JACOB BROOM, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION
JAMES BOWDOIN (GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS): Member of the Society for Propagating the Gospel Among the Indians and Others.
JAMES BROWN (U. S. SENATOR; DIPLOMAT): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
JAMES BURRILL, JR. (CHIEF-JUSTICE OF RHODE ISLAND SUPREME COURT; U. S. SENATOR): President of the Providence Auxiliary Bible Society.
JAMES IREDELL, U. S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
JAMES KENT, FATHER OF AMERICAN JURISPRUDENCE
JAMES MADISON
JAMES MCHENRY (SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION): President of the Baltimore Bible Society.
JAMES SULLIVAN (GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS; U. S. CONGRESSMAN): Member of the Society for Propagating the Gospel Among the Indians and Others.
JOEL BARLOW (DIPLOMAT UNDER WASHINGTON AND ADAMS): Chaplain in the American Revolution for three years.
JOHN ADAMS
JOHN BROOKS (GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS; REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL): President of Middlesex County Bible Society.
JOHN COTTON SMITH (GOVERNOR OF CONNECTICUT; U. S. CONGRESSMAN): President of the Litchfield County Foreign Missionary Society; first President of the Connecticut Bible Society; President of the American Bible Society; President of the American Board of Foreign Missions.
JOHN DAVENPORT (REVOLUTIONARY OFFICER; U. S. CONGRESS): Member of the Missionary Society of Connecticut.
JOHN DICKINSON, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION
JOHN HAMILTON (MAJOR~GENERAL IN THE REVOLUTION; U. S. CONGRESS): Member of the New Jersey Bible Society.
JOHN HART, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
JOHN JAY (ORIGINAL CHIEF-JUSTICE OF THE U. S. SUPREME COURT): President of the American Bible Society; member of American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions.
JOHN LANGDON (SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION): Vice-President of the American Bible Society.
JOHN LOWELL (REVOLUTIONARY OFFICER; MEMBER OF THE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS): Member of the Society for the Propagating of the Gospel among the Indians and Others.
JOHN MARSHALL (CHIEF-JUSTICE OF THE U. S. SUPREME COURT; SECRETARY OF STATE; REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL): Vice-President of the American Bible Society; officer in the American Sunday School Union.
JOHN MORTON, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
JOHN QUINCY ADAMS: Vice-President of the American Bible Society; of the Massachusetts Bible Society.
JOHN RANDOLPH OF ROANOKE, U. S. CONGRESSMAN; U. S. DIPLOMAT
JOHN TREADWELL (GOVERNOR OF CONNECTICUT; MEMBER OF CONTINENTAL CONGRESS): Member of the Missionary Society of Connecticut.
JOHN WITHERSPOON, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
JONAS GALUSHA (GOVERNOR OF VERMONT): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
JONATHAN TRUMBULL, GOVERNOR OF CONNECTICUT
JOSEPH BLOOMFIELD (GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY): Member of the New Jersey Bible Society.
JOSEPH NOURSE (REVOLUTIONARY OFFICER; U. S. TREASURY): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
JOSIAH BARTLETT, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE (REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL): Member of the American Sunday School Union.
PETER VROOM (GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY; U. S. CONGRESSMAN): Vice-President of the American Bible Society; member of the American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions.
RICHARD STOCKTON, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
ROBERT TREAT PAINE (SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION): Military Chaplain.
ROBERT TROUP (FEDERAL JUDGE; SECRETARY OF WAR): Vice-President of the American Bible Society.
ROGER SHERMAN, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION; SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION
RUFUS KING (SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION): Selected as manager@ of the American Bible Society.
RUFUS PUTNAM (REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL; FEDERAL JUDGE): President of the Ohio Bible Society.
SAMUEL ADAMS, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION
SAMUEL DEXTER (SECRETARY OF WAR UNDER ADAMS; U. S. CONGRESSMAN; U. S. SENATOR): Society for Propagating the Gospel Among the Indians and Others.
SMITH THOMPSON (U. S. SUPREME COURT; SECRETARY OF NAVY): Vice-President of the American Bible Society.
THOMAS POSEY (REVOLUTIONARY OFFICER; GOVERNOR OF INDIANA; U. S. SENATOR): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
THOMAS WORTHINGTON (GOVERNOR OF OHIO; U. S. SENATOR): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
TIMOTHY PICKERING, REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL; SECRETARY OF STATE
WILLIAM GASTON (CHIEF-JUSTICE OF NORTH CAROLINA SUPREME COURT; U. S. REPRESENTATIVE): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
WILLIAM GRAY (LT. GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS; U. S. SENATOR): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
WILLIAM JONES (GOVERNOR OF RHODE ISLAND): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
WILLIAM PHILLIPS (LT GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS FOR TERMS): President of the Society for Propagating the Gospel Among the Indians; President of the Massachusetts Bible Society; member of the American Board of Foreign Missions; Vice-President of the American Bible Society; President of the American Society for Educating Pious Youth for the Gospel Ministry.
WILLIAM SAMUEL JOHNSON, SIGNER OF THE CONSTITUTION
WILLIAM TILGHMAN (FEDERAL JUDGE; CHIEF-JUSTICE OF PENNSYLVANIA SUPREME COURT): Original Officer of the American Bible Society.
WILLIAM WIRT ( U. S. ATTORNEY-GENERAL UNDER TWO PRESIDENTS): Manager of the American Sunday School Union; Vice-President of the American Bible Society.
ZEPHANIAH SWIFT, AUTHOR OF AMERICA'S FIRST LEGAL TEXT

By John Barbour, 6-28-11

1. People are not equal. They are different in temperment, education, wealth, gender, station in life, ethnic heritage etc. etc. The only reason the founders said that it was self- evident that all men are created equal was because of their deep background in Christian thought. People were equal before God and His law. that;' what it means. It's the only way we are equal. There is no partiality with God.
2. Do we have the right to tell an employer how much to pay his workers? I think not. There is the freedom of contract. Women can negotiate their salaries just as well as men.
3. Yes, subsidies to the rich are part of the problem. All favoritism by government is. The purpose of the law is justice.
4. Good for you

By Phil Althouse, 8-01-11

Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues

Well, I was feelin’ sad and feelin’ blue
I didn’t know what in the world I wus gonna do
Them Communists they wus comin’ around
They wus in the air
They wus on the ground
They wouldn’t gimme no peace . . .

So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin’ down the road
Yee-hoo, I’m a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!

Now we all agree with Hitler’s views
Although he killed six million Jews
It don’t matter too much that he was a Fascist
At least you can’t say he was a Communist!
That’s to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria

Well, I wus lookin’ everywhere for them gol-darned Reds
I got up in the mornin’ ’n’ looked under my bed
Looked in the sink, behind the door
Looked in the glove compartment of my car
Couldn’t find ’em . . .

I wus lookin’ high an’ low for them Reds everywhere
I wus lookin’ in the sink an’ underneath the chair
I looked way up my chimney hole
I even looked deep down inside my toilet bowl
They got away . . .

Well, I wus sittin’ home alone an’ started to sweat
Figured they wus in my T.V. set
Peeked behind the picture frame
Got a shock from my feet, hittin’ right up in the brain
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did . . . them hard-core ones

Well, I quit my job so I could work all alone
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol’ Betsy Ross . . .

Well, I investigated all the books in the library
Ninety percent of ’em gotta be burned away
I investigated all the people that I knowed
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go
The other two percent are fellow Birchers . . . just like me

Now Eisenhower, he’s a Russian spy
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy
To my knowledge there’s just one man
That’s really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus

Well, I fin’ly started thinkin’ straight
When I run outa things to investigate
Couldn’t imagine doin’ anything else
So now I’m sittin’ home investigatin’ myself!
Hope I don’t find out anything . . . hmm, great God!

By John Barbour, 8-02-11

Phil: sounds like an old ditty from the 60's sung by leftists. You are giving your age away as well as your ignorance of the JBS and the relationship between communism and fascism ( They are both left-wing socialist.) You need to get up-to-date. We are not in the McCarthy era anymore. Most historians of the period now admit that Joe was right.

By David E. Kaus, 8-15-11

For anyone who is interested in the facts about Senator Joe McCarthy I suggest a book written by M Stanton Evans based on years of intensive research called "Blacklisted by History."

McCarthy was right on target about the communism infiltration of our government. That infiltration hasn't stopped and is very evident by a Muslim, socialist, very immoral fraud now occupying the White House, and a liberal immoral agenda being implemented along with it.

Please, someone tell me how a community organizer, with about 100 days of voting "not present" in the Senate is qualified to be the president of the U.S., (all 57 states by his definition - hello). If that wasn't an inside job I don't know what is. Wake up an realize that in Hussein Obama you are looking at a lot of hot air packaged by the liberal media for a liberal, communist, anti God, Muslim agenda, and at least be intellectual honest with yourself.

You may desire that type of government and immorality in your life, and that is your choice. However, be advised that Almighty God will bring you into judgment for violation of His honorable moral standards. That you can like or dislike but it isn't going to ever change the fact that it is going to take place. There is an eternal place for all who love the wages of unrighteousness, it is called hell, and it is a place for all who reject the love of the truth. Don't kid yourself, the face of immorality in the liberal agenda is easily seen in the killing of the unborn, even those who survive an abortion is demanded by the Obama-nation in the White House, in the perverted homosexual agenda, and in all forms of immorality. The forcing of that agenda on innocent children in public schools is an evil that can only be described a sadistic in nature.

The real issue here for every person is the love of the truth or the rejection of it. Mercy and Truth are found in Jesus Christ. You can be turned off by that and that is your choice. What you may want to consider is that a Sovereign Almighty God has also made His choice in judging all who love death. If you doubt He exist just ask Him to show you otherwise.

In sincerity and Truth, David

By Larry Craig, 8-16-11

I cany believe how many of you so called Democrats are so un educated to the things of the communist agenda. Where is our Joe McCarthy of today. He is needed. All you liberals have a huge MENTAL DISSORDER.

By Jared Floyd, 8-17-11

To Eileen Wright,

Just because I agree with your three questions doesn't mean that I am also an environmentalism, gay advocate, and/or feminists. Could it be possible that Bower's is simply sharing a real life experience, and your assumptions are in fact simply assumptions and not fact?

By Lacy, 8-19-11

Mr. Barbour, have you seen the documentary, "The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers" by Christian J. Pinto?

You listed

By Lacy, 8-19-11

oops, my comment was cut off.

I would like to hear your thoughts about the film.

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