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You are an idiot. I would try to be more eloquent, but everything you said it is so taken out of context and ridiculous that I can only say that you are an idiot. We've got work to do? Are you serious? What Bush did was stupid too, but Obama is stupid times 10. He is going to bankrupt us and you liberals can't see it. I hope you enjoy the socialism that is coming your way. Please vote these idiots out of office and hang yourself for writing this article.

I second that ... Right on Bob!

grrrraarrr socialism grrrr hulk smash

SAAAAAAVAAAAAAGE NASHUUUUUUN!!!!!

Hey Bob, The same consitution that BO is using to ward off the "rights" you felt Bush was infringing upon. Gitmo is still open, wiretaps still going, huge spending still happening (and no, this is not Bush's budget, its BO's and Pelosi's - they made it and signed it), Iraq is still a war, Afganistan still on. What has changed is that Code Pink is no longer chirping (not a peep since the election), yet nothing has changed. Our troops still are in harms way (by the way Semper Fi to my fellow Marines). So where is this massive change? By the way, I paid more taxes this year and my wages were less then $120,000. So BO has also not given me anything to be happy about up to this point. hope springs eternal and maybe he will do good. I have not seen a great deal up to now.

Tom Corcoran, you did not pay more taxes unless you made more money. If you did, file an adjustment or hire a tax consultant. You messed up.

Right on Bob! Way to teabag 'em!

I'd like to clarify something. Iraq wasn't just a misadventure, but a tragic one. 4,000 dead and thousands maimed attest to that. No one can pay them back for that great sacrifice. But where are the Code Pinkos lately, besides annoying Marine recruiters in Berkeley?. The wars are still on. Obama is sending thousands of more troops to Afghanistan, but the Left is not in the streets. Strange. Missing. Like anti-Obama jokes on Letterman. Is it because these wars are now his wars. The hypocrisy on the Left is as big as the Grand Canyon. And Bob, I think you did a better job with your kicking-around-the-Lord piece. Just my opinion. Cheers.

Bob,
I will answer your question about where I was when Bush was spending and increasing the debt. First I was still growing in my understanding of the economy. Until recently I thought we had a basically free market economy and the government was only stepping in to do good. I bought the line that the tax cuts were actually tax cuts, and that they would grow the economy. I supported the war again terrorist and still do. Below is the time line starting in 2000 how I grew.
2000-I believed that if the Republicans were given a chance they would shrink the size of government.
2001-I was more concerned about terrorism.
2004-Did not like Bush or Republicans, but Kerry was not an option due to his stance on terrorism.
2006-Wanted the Republicans out of office, but the options were not even better.
2008-Did not want/trust Obama. Voted for McCain only because of Palin. Did not vote for a Republican for the Senator, liked my Rep. as an individual.
2009-Now I want all incumbents out of office, would still be here if McCain had one and continued on the same course.

Yeah Bill Croke, the US had much to atone for under the Bush Administration, if you can't see that you're blind. Torture, Gitmo, world economic collapse that started here, a foreign policy that believed in pure evil aka: "The Axis of Evil" (sweet Jesus, if evil had any place in foreign policy we would have sent the entire country of Germany to the incinerators they built, but we didn't, because pure evil if it exists at all is metaphysical, not physical, and look at Germany today, a upstanding world citizen), a needless war justified with lies. President Obama told the truth, and the truth right now is needed. Besides, he didn't let Europe off the hook, here are his words:
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"Such an effort is never easy. It's always harder to forge true partnerships and sturdy alliances than to act alone, or to wait for the action of somebody else. It's more difficult to break down walls of division than to simply allow our differences to build and our resentments to fester. So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what's bad.

On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth. They threaten to widen the divide across the Atlantic and leave us both more isolated. They fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth that America cannot confront the challenges of this century alone, but that Europe cannot confront them without America.

So I've come to Europe this week to renew our partnership, one in which America listens and learns from our friends and allies, but where our friends and allies bear their share of the burden. Together, we must forge common solutions to our common problems."
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WOW. What a rant, sounds hateful and bitter without stating anything constructive. Yesterday had more to do with out of control spending of Bush and Obama than dislike of Obama, CNN or anything liberal. Obama's policies have erupted this crowd into a full boil that had been simmering for a while.

With an ending statement like this " Now shut up and get out of the way. We’ve got work to do. ", I fully expect a full column on where this country should go in a bipartisan direction.

Couldn't have said it any better myself Bob. Keep up the good work. The Republicans seem to have convienently forgotten what the guy they picked did for 8 long years. It's like a guy who drove a truck into a ditch yelling at the tow truck driver that he's doing it wrong.

Stimulus is spending, but not all spending is stimulus!!

Despite the Right Wing having brought all their guns to bear...

* The Boise Tea Party - 2,500 mostly looky-loos

* Obama Rally - 14,000 who stood in line for hours

In a State so conservative they'd elect Dracula so long as he was running on the Republican Ticket (or Rush Limbaugh anointed him)!

there is plenty to take to the streets about...at least someone is taking action.....hopefully it will result in some good!

truth hurts, doesn't it ya right-wing idiots.

I saw all political stripes at our local tea party. It wasn't about left or right, Bush or Obama.

And Dave is correct; if McCainiac had won, we'd still be pissed with the politicians of both parties for overspending.

Even though I didn't vote for Barry, I'm not a sorehead. It would have been a disaster no matter which candidate won.

It's about time you move on, Bob, and get over your BDS. You'll be happier and live longer.

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Right wing conservatives draped in a flag protesting like a bunch of pot smoking liberal hippies.
If you don't love it leave it motherfuckers!!!!

Wow, I really think you missed the mark on the purpose of the protests. Its really not about Republicans and Democrats or Independents and Libertarians. The people were protesting spending. Its been something building and talked about a lot over the last 20 years but it's suddenly hit the warp drive over the last year. Taxes are bad now but what will it take to actually pay for all this crap when the bills actually start coming in? I guess we can just print the money but then the massive inflation will effectively be the same as a tax increase. Some spending could stimulate the economy but where is that in this bill? The spending doesn't even show up until 2010 an election year. You want to stimulate the economy right now, right here, and solve problems? Cut taxes on business and investment. Every time that has been tried by every political party it has increased revenue to the government while adding new employment. Plus EVERYBODY needs to get some skin in the game. You simply can't have 50% of the population paying no income tax at all. Make the alternative minimum tax apply to everybody and make it 5%. Somebody making $10,000 a year couldn't actually contribute $10 a week for all the services they get?

I'd like to try an experiment but big Marxists like Bob would never go for it. Take one state like Texas would be great, and let them out of the US to form their own limited government country. Let that go for just 10 years and then compare their lifestyle and economy to the remaining US. What do you think it would look like? Of course this has been tried in the past, just compare the US to say... oh anybody else in the world. I'd say without a doubt, from our founding, we have been the one country with the most liberty from government control, and our standard of living here is well above the rest of the world.

No Bush was "our guy", McCain wasn't "our guy", Clinton and Obama certainly aren't "our guys" Not even Ron Paul wasn't close to being "our guy" (well maybe he was SOME of those protesters guy LOL!) Now Reagan... I'd take that for sure. Luckily Obama is most like Carter's 2nd term so hopefully 2012 will be Reagan's 3rd!

You've tuned in to Beer Tabby Radio, all facts, all of the time. This one goes out to the Tea Baggers...


Memories light the corner of my mind
Misty George Bush colored memories
Of the way we were...

By RICHARD WOLF, USA TODAY
February 05, 2008

President Bush's proposed $3.1 trillion budget may be dead on arrival in Congress, but the impact of that political deadlock will make life difficult for the man or woman who succeeds him.

The next president will inherit a deficit of about $400 billion, and maybe more. Unless the economy rebounds and revenue pours in, deficits will push the cumulative federal debt past $12 trillion in the next five years.

He or she will need to spend far more in Iraq and Afghanistan than Bush proposed, because he included only $70 billion - designed to last until Jan. 20, when he leaves office. White House budget director Jim Nussle said Monday that even the cost of drawing down forces is "surprisingly high."


Scattered pictures of a politcal party that has died,
Smiles we gave to one another
For the faith based way we were.

Good night Republican Party!!!

I think that Simon and Garfunkel wrote a song about these protestors looong ago. Remember? "I am a rock, I am an island"! What a bunch of dumb bastards. If they message they preach is such a good one, WHY DID THEY GET THEIR WHINEY ASSES KICKED LAST ELECTION? Let'em prance around in their costumes. But they really should get some that are more appropriate for their message. CLOWN costumes! 'Cause that sound you hear is America laughing at them! Nobody takes whiners seriously. But I'll grant them one thing. Their protest was a phallic victory, a bunch of dickheads prancin' around too stupid to come in outta the cold! It used to be said, hire the handicapped, they're fun to watch. Now we just say, go to a whiner rally. They're HEElarious! What a bunch of dumbasses!

What people fail to understand is that this is not only about the increase in Federal taxes that Obama plans to let lapse, but the other taxes that people tend to overlook. If you look at the 3 areas that the President wants to improve (education, energy and healthcare), each one will include a tax that will impact everyone. Here is what tax increases people will see that will hurt the middle and lower class more than the rich class:
Education - increase in State Tax
Energy - Cap and Trade, Mileage tax
Healthcare - Tobacco Tax (this has gone into effect and the tax rate increased 66%)
Who do you really think this will affect the most?

Its O.K. Some of my best friends are grumpy old white folks.

Joe P, funny. One of my employee's went to one in Idaho Falls, while it was snowin' and blowin', and he said there were "quite a few people" there. I asked him if he signed any petitions, and he said no, it was too cold. Good thing, 'cause the petitions go direct to the IRS for "Tax Evaders To Be Audited". Nothing like a signature on a line.

Bob nailed it. Eight years of silence on a failed bush experiment screwed this country into such a hole that Obama will need TWO brooms to clean up the mess.

But take heart, you right wingers. As soon as Palin gets impeached for impersonating a governor with a double digit IQ, she can come on down and do the "you betcha" circuit to keep the base in constant rapture and the "old white males" with a vision for their next wet dream.

I think John Stewart nailed it last week. To the right wingers, you lost the election. It's SUPPOSED to taste like a shit sandwich.

I had a PhD Econ prof in college tell me that taxes never take more than 50%. Above that level, the incentive to work more, or harder, leaves with each percentage of taxes taken. So people evade them, ignore them, avoid them, and cheat. Oregon has 9% state income tax, and local government has a 1.5% property tax, which can be higher by voter consent for bond issues. Few have incomes greater than their property valuation, so I will call state and local taxes 9% plus another 5% for property taxes, franchise taxes, phone taxes, mandatory garbage pickup, permits and fees and a litany of other charges. 14% State, and the Feds want 28% from most everyone who works, plus 13% of his/her/undecided's wages and work value for Social Security and medicaid, medicare, unemployment, workers comp. That is more than a 50% tax rate. That is why people are objecting to consideration of higher taxes, or the implication of higher taxes to meet future demands of the deficits.. If you read that the Feds are only getting 45% of the GDP, you do have to add in the state and local taxes, fees, royalties, licenses, whatever. We are closing in on government by government for government. Oligarchs and State run industry are close at hand. We are closing with China for a blend of totalitarianism melded with capitalism. Ever look for something made in the USA on a retail shelf? Takes a while, no?

A lot of tax cheating is going on. Just look at the prospective appointees to the Obama cabinet, and the minders were culling them like bad potatoes early on for tax avoidance and non-payment. It is cultural now, and endemic. People cheat on their taxes. And the people who don't are paying the way for the cheaters, even cabinet level cheaters. It makes no nevermind if you are a liberal or a conservative, a brilliant Obama supporter or a libelous layabout and lout of a conservative Republican McCain supporter, you are cheating on your taxes. The Democrats cheat on every election, so why would they not cheat on their taxes? Even Clinton got caught stealing White House furniture as he left office, while his minions sabotaged computers and trashed Executive Office building offices. Now they have to include another genius in their leadership, Al Franken. One wonders if he will get parodied by Saturday Nite Live writers like himself, for the joke that his ascent to office has been.

We do, you know, subscribe to the nanny state idea from the Obama administration in that they have given trillions to banks and corrupt insurance companies and none to citizens. What would have happened if not saving banks, letting them fail, and sending $150,000 to each 2007 tax filer instead would have had on kick-starting our economy? It does not take many people with an extra $50,000 to get together and start a bank, which then would start lending the money and building the bank's assets. But we are not to be trusted, and that from the leadership of the Democrat party. It is a top down government they want to foist on us, and that alone is reason enough to publicly complain. Of course, the smarty pants victors in the fall elections have a mandate to be the nanny state, and complaints seem to be uniformly dubbed "whining." Do as I do, believe as I believe, or you are stupid and a whiner. Gee, does that ever advance the discourse!!!

The silent majority will not say anything, but will not report all their income, either. Cash is king. Ebay or Craig's List. All cash. And when the Feds close them down, the internet will spawn another method, mode, for exchanging goods for cash...day working for cash is a way of life for millions already. They work for the Obama Cabinet. Clean their homes, care for their kids, drive their cars, mow their lawns. Screw the tax man. I come first. You have some of it, but not all of it, or even half of it. The Tea Party crew was just people with a conscience who are frustrated. The rest keep their mouths shut and a jar of twenties in the gun safe.

It is tough to want the paved road and not want oil drilling. It is tough to want a concrete road and no mining. It is tough to want a log house but no clear cuts, or clean electricity but no dams, no wind turbines, no solar panels across critical habitat. It is tough to want it all at no cost, and tougher to want it all at a reasonable cost. The liberals have created the privilege class of public employee with cradle to grave care, retirements and salaries equal or greater than private sector jobs, but create no wealth, and castigate the wealth creators as "greedy" for their success. The public sector gets paid, success or no. Great work and great benefits, and no expectations. So the roads don't get paved, Bob. Sometimes the holes get patched, and sometimes they don't. But gravel has to be mined to get the rock and holes drilled to get the asphalt, or more mining to get concrete. Compromise. So we still fight wars around the world. We still are hated for our successes. We are still the place people enter illegally to live and work. And we are still the place where we can seek redress from trespass against our pursuit of happiness and our personal security in public displays of political anger without fear of being jailed and held for no reason. You gotta love that. So to all you who want to address the "whiners", why don't you cowboy up and win like men, and not be some Lord Fauntleroy in short pants and marceled hair sniggering "nah nah nah" from behind the barricades of your temporal majority. Things can change, and having your noses rubbed in the dog shit of defeat can be humiliating. We know. But we also know your VietNam hero was a dunderhead with a Lenoesque chin and New England hair and that was all there was to him. Bush was not that bad a deal. Kerry could have won and put your party in the hole for another half century. Bush saved you. Bush gave the Democraps life. You should worship him. And you know it.

Abby, the reason they continue to pay is that representation in the U.S. Senate is not based on population. Each state regardless of population has two U.S. senators. And Senators based on seniority have the duty and obligation to bring home the bacon to their state. I try to make the point you just made as often as possible. But it is lost on the self-righteous right wing imbeciles who run Idaho. They seem to be in denial of their own rugged individualist hypocrisy. In fact, more than a few reactionary red states are being subsidized by liberal blue states.

If "Bob 'Mensa Society' Wire" were to adopt your one-eyed gap-toothed redneck thinking, he would no longer be worthy of his "Mensa Society" nickname. It's like one of the great polarity of the universe, redneck "pretend conservatism" on the one hand and studied intelligent progressive thought on the other.

Bearbrain gets that way when he drinks too much Elderberry Wine and gets to feeling sorry for his poor beleaguered self. Hidden in his long list of grievances is the myth central to right wing ideologues. That is that government spending creates no wealth and unregulated private markets pose no danger. If you're dumb enough to fall for that after the Great Depression, The Savings and Loan Fiasco, and now our latest financial free market fiasco, you've got to be pretty dumb.

This was Richard Armey's response (one of the key coordinators behind this) in the Washington Post two days ago, when asked why people were protesting taxes, when new data showed that the federal income tax burden is already hovering near its lowest level in three decades for all but the wealthiest Americans (those making over $250k) - Armey conceded that "the federal tax rate right now is at a good level." But, he said, "there are very few people who believe Obama will be content to leave it at that."

So, here we have one of the primary players in this whole thing essentially admitting, in a major newspaper, that all of this outrage, all this protesting, all this pseudo-grassroots mob mentality is based on nothing more than speculation about what Obama might do about taxes in the future. What is this, some sort of clarivoyant, pre-emptive protest strategy? What else that might happen in the future, but that we have no proof of, should we also be protest?

Certainly, there are many things to be frustrated about right now, but the above admission confirms for me that this whole "tea-bagging" thing is really just a lot of misplaced frustration, looking for any outlet, logical or not, and being encouraged by the likes of Glenn Beck and other histrionic opportunists of his ilk.

bearbait, you're the one hurling invective, hypothetical and real stirred together just like the percentages you've read about somewhere, and for god's sake could you put a paragraph break in once in a while?

I'm not asking you where your income comes from, do me the same courtesy and spare us with your snarky speculation about where others' get theirs.

But do this: add up all the taxes you paid in the last hour, day, week, month, year, whatever, and divide by your income over the same period, multiply by 100 and tell us what percent that is.

Then I'll do the same thing. And we can proceed with a discussion based on our own personal facts, rather than enthusiastic hand-waving.

Bearbrain, exactly what are you bitching about? The Heritage Foundation a right wing think tank publishes an annual index of economic freedom by country. The U.S. is in the top ten for 2009 as usual. The top ten countries are from the top: Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, United States, Canada, Denmark, Switzerland, United Kingdom.

And? I'll add that info to the long list of reasons why I'd never want to live in NY, or anywhere near there. Thanks.

" i disagree."

(spoken by a crusty old character in the Bob Newhart show)

couldn't resist - sorry.

KTE: Hear! Hear!! Tarts in high collars. Double speak practitioners. For Sale. Or rent. Which ever pays better.

The sad, sad deal is the case the networks were making about Murtha last night on the news. He shakes a business down for a few thousand bucks and the payback is a few million for the business. That is how the Democrats work the scam in Oregon, where they have had the governor's office, the Sec of State, and Attny Genl for twenty or more years. Grow government. Every local, county, state employee is required---no getting out of it---to pay union dues. Not join the union. No requirement. But you have to pay the dues. And the dues go to political action committees that support 98% Democrat candidates. So we get an employee with a total cost of $150,000 each in salary, benefits, office space, supervision, autos, whatever, to gain a few hundred bucks a year for the campaign pot. And that is Murtha: you give him $10,000 or less, and he gets you US Govt aid of a $Million or more. Not unlike the thief who steals your stuff and then fences it for pennies on the dollar value. Your "earmarks" go to "special friends" who have paid to get aid from you and I. Our money. By way of Mr. Elected Stuffed Shirt, or today, CA Rep. Jane Harmon or so it is being reported. A tit for a tat. Or however that goes. Pro quid pro. Which used to mean "misunderstand", was used by lawyers to describe an exchange of equal amounts of value, and now bastardized by our esteemed law makers into "you give a thousand bucks and I'll make sure you get a million in the budget." Corrupt is an understatement when describing our present governments at all levels...Hey, Blago!!! Fries with that?