Guest Commentary: George Wuerthner's "On the Range"
Yellowstone Bison Slaughter a Sham
By George Wuerthner , 2-13-08
Once again the state of Montana, along with Yellowstone National Park, are killing bison migrating out of Yellowstone National Park. The slaughter of Yellowstone’s bison is represented as a disease contamination program, but it is really a sham. If disease control were the issue, we wouldn’t be killing bison. The more you know about the brucellosis-bison issue, the angrier you get.
For instance, news reports always note that so many bison “tested positive” for brucellosis. Most people assume that this means that the bison in question have brucellosis. In reality field-testing only demonstrates that the bison in question have antibodies to brucellosis. They have been exposed to the disease—perhaps even in the womb, but it doesn’t mean they can readily transmit the disease. I would test positive for polio because I was “exposed” to polio virus as a youngster—but I cannot transmit polio to anyone.
Secondly, transmission of brucellosis is difficult and seldom—if ever—happens, with wild free roaming animals. The usual pathway for transmission is for a cow bison to abort an infected fetus. Then a domestic animal like a cow has to come along and lick the fluid before the brucellosis bacteria dies—which under wild conditions is fairly quickly since the bacteria is not able to survive outside of the body. The domestic animal would also have to beat a scavenger like coyote, raven or other animal to the aborted fetus before the scavengers consume it.
Additionally, nearly all bison abortions—and abortion in wild bison is an extremely rare event—occurs in the late winter. In most of the habitat used by bison at this time of year, cattle are not present. They are back at the home ranch being fed hay. That is why simply keeping cattle and bison separated is a fairly easy solution to conflicts—if a solution were something that the Ag boys were interested in creating.
Third, because it is through abortion of a fetus, bison calves, and bison bulls cannot transmit the disease even if they have it, yet calves and bulls are regularly killed. If fear of brucellosis transmission were really driving this program, there would be no reason to kill these animals.
Fourth, far more elk in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem carry brucellosis than bison. A high percentage of elk in Wyoming carry brucellosis because of the feed grounds that the Wyoming Game and Fish maintains. The unnatural concentration of elk favors brucellosis transmission. Yet the US Dept. of Agriculture does not require the state to close the feed grounds that would go a long ways towards reducing brucellosis occurrence in the ecosystem. Additionally, they don’t slaughter elk—at least not yet. Why? Because hunters and perhaps, more importantly, some outfitters would come unglued if the same policy of non-tolerance of elk outside of our parks were implemented.
There is plenty of cattle-free bison habitat outside of Yellowstone. The Upper Gallatin River drainage in the Teepee Creek and Daily Creek areas has no livestock. Much of the Dome Mountain and Eagle Creek basin near Gardiner are livestock free, as are other lands in the region. And of course I would advocate that other public lands be open to bison by removal of livestock or the understanding that any rancher grazing these public lands must accept the low risks involved. In Wyoming, ranchers regularly graze their cattle on allotments with bison—demonstrating once again that brucellosis transmission is a rare, if non-existent risk that most ranchers are willing to accept.
The slaughter program is driven by antiquated federal policy. Originally the desire to eradicate brucellosis was done under the guise of public health. Brucellosis can also occur in humans—where it causes fever like conditions, swelling of the joints, and in rare cases even death. Back in the 1930s when the brucellosis control program was implemented, many people were exposed to brucellosis either because they lived around livestock and had contact with infected animals or they drank unpasteurized milk. Today the disease is very rare and about the only people who get the disease are veterinarians and others who work around infected animals.
So the original purpose—a public health issue—no longer applies. So why does the US government continue to spend money on brucellosis eradication? Well, one by-product of the brucellosis control program is that it saved ranchers money. Brucellosis can cause abortion of a fetus in infected cows. To save ranchers the loss of some calves and potential profit, Ag interests successfully persuaded the government to continue its brucellosis eradication program—at a cost of billions to taxpayers—with all the benefits now largely going to the livestock industry.
One incentive that the Department of Agriculture implemented to get states to crack down on brucellosis was to threaten the loss of brucellosis-free status. Why is this important? Well, again it’s money. A state without brucellosis-free status must test and certify that any cattle moved out of state are free of the disease. This adds a slight bit to costs and more paperwork for producers. Also in brucellosis-free states, livestock producers may not be required to inoculate their livestock against the disease—again saving some expense.
However, there is no rational reason producers across an entire state should be penalized because one or two herds of livestock become infected. The Department of Agriculture has the authority to quarantine individual herds. But the threat of state-wide loss of brucellosis-free status continues because Ag interests want to control wildlife. Their zero tolerance policy is both unrealistic and harmful to the free movement of wildlife. Why should bison be denied access to public lands in Montana, or any other state? We don’t impose zero tolerance on any other native wildlife just for moving into a state.
I think there are several reasons for the continued slaughter. One is the long term goal of Ag interests to gain control over wildlife—to wrest it away from state Fish and Game agencies and the public. Short of doing that, they want to control the wildlife agenda of state wildlife agencies—which in many western states they already do.
Beyond that, I suspect some livestock producers fear the widespread movement of wild bison on to other public lands. Bison are a direct competitor with cattle. If more bison are grazing Forest Service or BLM lands, there will be less forage left for domestic livestock. They also fear that wildlife advocates such as myself will start to question why we shouldn’t have bison grazing our public lands instead of someone’s privately owned livestock. Their fears are justified. I ask exactly that question.
In short livestock producers fear that if they let the genie of wild bison grazing on all public lands out of the bottle, they will never get it back inside, and in the end that can only hurt the ability of ranchers to graze public lands.
It’s time to let wild bison roam our public lands. Our parks should not be prisons, maintained by a fence of bullets or traps. There is no good reason why wild bison cannot co-exist This shameful destruction of wildlife to appease an irrational and increasingly irrelevant industry must end.
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The real issue I think is management. What bothered me about wolf reintroduction was that the management aspect was never adequately addressed as part of the package. Leaving us with the mess headed to the courts now. Like it or not our 'wild animals' have a confined range that can handle only so many. Addressing management is honest and crucial. Increasing bison range only delays the management issue until, once again, it rises to a fever pitch. I prefer a hunting option for bison to manage the population within sustainable range limits. Just my opinion.
Thanks for your thorough and thoughtful piece Mr. Wuerthner.
Keep them penned up in an artifical boundary - have no predators that could establish a natural control of numbers - kill them when they don't behave your way and so forth!
To do things THIS way, WILL lead to nothing more than ZOO type environments; NOT what parks were designed for!
If you really think these animals are NOT wild Come on up here and catch one of them and go for a ride. I have a saddle I would be HAPPY to let you use. Completely Habituated? I think NOT. Just because Humans are encroaching everywhere, and Bison have nothing to fear (except the DOL and a few like them) thus they don't run, does NOT make them tame. People with that mind set are exactly the ones that get hurt or killed because of their foolish thinking. (Thus resulting in the death of the animal.) Thinking like that results in things like what happened on Cristmas Day in San Fran.
Why weren't some of the 385 area bison tag holders called to hunt? Instead, our Agencies just captured and shipped them off to slaughter. Fair? I don't think so.
DOL and APHIS can't even make up their minds as to whether it's Disease or over population. They use either or to justify their actions.
George what a wonderful article, too bad the Agencies are too stupid to admit their mistakes. Too FOOLISH to change their ways, and TOO selfish to try and REALLY help the Cattle industry, by putting that money they waste on the operations into actually helping the Ranchers with vacine costs, testing costs, and Fencing costs. I've said it before and I'll say it again. IT'S MUCH EASIER TO FENCE OUT THAN IN!!!!!
Sure Bison get used to traffic, but that, in NO way can be considered NOT WILD. Why should they 'fear' humans in the back country? They have not feared humans in their entire lifetimes, why start now? Sure they run from people one time but that doesn't mean they will do it the next time. They are WILD!
There is a lady up here that decided to take a walk in the winter, when someone started a snow-machine. The Bison (15-20) that were over half a mile away, heard that snow machine start, and stampeded down the road, if it hadn't been for a neighbor just going by and allowed this woman to jump in her car, she would have been trampled. Does that sound NON-wild? No. BUT it does sound 'habituated' by no other than the Government Agents and their procedures.
These Agents, 'habituate' these animals into despising people on snow-machines, ATV's, Horses, because of the harassment they get from the Agents.
Do the Agents even consider their actions and the 'danger' they put tourists,and locals in by doing things this way. Of course not.
The bottom line is they have been given a budget to work with, and if they don't spend it all they won't get it again the next year. So they waste it away on totally stupid operations that don't benefit anything or anyone except the pocket book of the departments involved.
So I guess I'll have to admit that the Bison, (as well as every other living thing), are 'habituated' to a degree. And that 'habituation' process is thanks to the Agents that chase and harass these animals. They still are Very WILD animals.
Webster's Dictionary definition "Wild; adj. Living in a state of nature; NOT domesticated."
Webster's Definition of "HABITUATED; To accustom; familiarize." Habituated doesn't mean NOT wild.
Wild they are not. However, even habituated animals are dangerous.
So what is the solution to bison population management??????
You are hopeless, and a waste of time.
So YOU, Craig are the one that needs to get 'back on track'.
Considering the fact that you can't admit that Bison of YNP are WILD, I can see how you want to turn the subject of the article to what you want it to be.
So the next time you want to change the subject of an article, why don't YOU write the article?
In case you haven't noticed there is a Bison hunt, and even the hunters are being 'screwed' by the Agencies. Just talk to a few of the hunters that weren't allowed to harvest some of the Bison that were hazed captured and shipped to slaughter at tax-payer expense. These guys would have harvested a Bison, at no expense to me or any other tax-payer.
Just because someone tests positive for HIV does NOT mean they have AIDS.
No matter how you look at it, the Government is trying to 'fool' the public with the excuse of disease control.
Wrapping the bison management issue in such emotive words such as 'slaughter' only serves to mask the real issue that we either face today or delay until tomorrow. See my first comment.
To "hunt" YNP bison is about as sporting as killing a cow in a pasture.
The problem of heard management is that to many agencies are involved and each serve different purposes. One management formula should be adopted and enforced by one agency. This agency should be one that has the best interest of bison stability and growth. The method of disposal of excess bison should be considered carefully to be humane and transparent.
There are thousands of elk, some of which have been exposed to brucellosis, which are currently free ranging in the Madison Valley and elsewhere outside the Park. They will largely calve in Montana, a month later than bison calve. We have continually suggested that the habitat available to elk in southwest Montana is a reasonable goal to establish for wild bison as well. For starters, the winter ranges provided by the Wall Creek Wildlife Management Area in the Madison Valley, the Gallatin (Porcupine) Wildlife Management Area in the Upper Gallatin and the Dome Mountain Wildlife Management Area in the Upper Yellowstone frame a "scientific minimum" for wild bison in southwest Montana. Once restored on a year round basis to Montana, public hunting is the most reasonable and sustainable method of wild bison conservation.
First I hope that you realize there is no magic number regarding how many buffalo the park can hold. You can even ask the NYP it's self. The 3000 is just a number from the BMP.
Second all your reasons to call them zoo animals (I've actually been around them and know how wrong you are) are all reasons to allow them access to public lands.
Finally all of your reason for killing buffalo are also true for elk. So I say it's time to stop avoiding the issue/ I think you need to step up to the plate and come out agents elk. I think you need to promote the mass killing of the elk. Otherwise it dose make seem a little fake.
The actual Idea of having YNP Agents riding around in the summer shooting bison with bean bags is absolutely HYSTERICAL, as well as STUPID. Talk about 'habituating' an animal. In the end you will have Bison charging anyone they see on any type of transportation. (depending on what type of transportation the Agents use to do this stupid task) I pity the poor 'tourist' or otherwise that might be enjoying a bicycle ride, or horseback ride, when they come upon a Bison that has been 'shot' with the bean bags.
Craig won't believe Webster's Dictionary's definitions but yet he swallows all of Wikipedia on line, and that can be edited or altered by anyone at any time. So it's no wonder why he thinks Bison are not wild. I'm not sure he's ever been among them or even seen one up close.
Like most have said before, harvesting is a good management tool, BUT not when used as a carnival crap shoot.
And to allow the Agencies to try to 'fool' the public in order to 'manage' the herds is as bad as Hitler and what he did to try and have the 'Perfect Race'.
APHIS says disease and YNP says numbers. Neither are a legitimate excuse at this point in time.
If the Government is manipulating us on this issue, makes you wonder what else they are manipulating us on.
It all boils down to the Budget and money and nothing to do with trying to manage a WILD herd of Bison, or helping the Cattle Rancher.
Because the Rancher is dependent on their cattle for a living, APHIS has them by the short hairs. More Ranchers need to question these tactics like the rest of us are doing in order to protect the Ranchers livelihoods.
But to have our Government trying to SHAM us just won't cut it. And that is what is great about this country that we CAN stand up to them and tell them, they are the IDIOTS they think we are.
It wouldn't take as long to convince them if the Cattleman could see through the wool that is over their eyes.
Elk, when they leave the park, become more wary. It's almost like they know where the border is. They also become more wary during hunting season. They suddenly disappear off my property (at least around my house), as do the deer. Somehow they know. I believe that bison would do the same, if they were given year around habitat outside the park. Until they are, a hunt is just an unsportsmanlike shooting gallery.
I keep asking the question: Why is 3,000 bison too many, and 9,000 elk not nearly enough?
I agree with you, 3000 Bison on over 2 million acres, that's one Bison for every 600+ acres. 4000 Bison is one for every 500 acres. Yet that's too many?
Craig; No matter how many times I read your posts, it's obvious you think you know what's best, and anyone that doesn't agree with you is 'childish', or 'foolish'.
Bison are wild no matter how hard some people try to spin it. George make an excellent point – that if bison were tolerated in Montana as other wild, migrating animals are such as elk, deer, bears, etc. there is much public land available for them. Public lands that our public wildlife have a right to use. There are thousands of acres of public lands in the upper Gallatin, Antelope Basin extending into the Centennial Valley and upper Ruby River on the West side and Dome Mountain etc, on the North side. By allowing bison to roam there would be more grounds to hunt on leading to a more ethical hunt.
Montana hunters and the clubs that represent them including the FWP have failed to live up to the North American Model of Conservation, a cornerstone of wildlife trusteeship. FWP persuaded hunters that by opening up a bison hunt, hunters would naturally become more engaged in the struggle of the bison and push for more tolerance. It has failed miserably. The hunters of Montana turn their backs on bison. They are happy to kill (help with the slaughter) of bison but they have no interest in supporting free ranging bison into the state. They are as culpable as the DoL in the extermination of all bison that enter Montana. Of course, Schweitzer made all kinds of promises to end the slaughter but like most of his talk it is just that.
It is disgraceful from a hunter’s perspective to have a FWP Department that does not have the backbone to standup to the DoL and Legislature and assert their legitimate rights to the full and uninhibited authority to manage the bison. They have the hunters whacking the bison apparently their work is done.
I might have added to my article that in addition to permitting migration of bison to other public lands surrounding Yellowstone, we could also be restoring bison in the rest of the West. Yellowstone bison could be used to start wild, self sustaining bison herds in Montana including the Charles M. Russell/ Missouri River Breaks NM, on the BLM/FS lands of the lower Yellowstone/Tongue/Powder River, on the Beaverhead Deerlodge National Forest , including Red Rock Lakes NWR, along the Green River, Red Desert and Bighorn Basins of Wyoming, in the Vermillion Basin/Browns Hole NWR of Colorado, on public lands around the Lost River, Lemhi and Beaverhead Mountains of Idaho as well as other lands of formerly occupied by these animals. Allowing them to migrate on to public lands beyond Yellowstone borders would be a good first start in the restoration of wild bison across the West.
the 'non' wild Bison
You have both made some great points here. It is interesting to note that the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest is currently revising its Forest Plan. In response to comments on that plan (p596) at the link provided the forest service states – “The Forest Plan does not address brucellosis.”
http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/b-d/forest-plan/feis-plan/feis/a-feis-ch-5-response-comt.pdf
Interesting, given that thousands of elk wintering in the Madison Valley and elsewhere will likely calve on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest on sagebrush/conifer rangelands that are also dedicated to federally subsidized cattle allotments.
If you are of the mindset that brucellosis actually matters, the science indicates that brucella bacteria has never persisted passed June 15 in the Greater Yellowstone Area, even when scientists purposely placed infected aborted fetuses in the field (Aune et. al unpublished). Thus, cattle allotment turnout dates of June 15 or later – preferably July 1 is pretty rock solid prevention mitigation against any possible brucellosis transmission event between cattle and elk. Since bison begin calving about a month before elk, usually mid-April while elk typically beginning calving mid-May, there is less risk from bison than elk as spring advances. However, with a slight modification in public land grazing turnouts on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest and neighboring BLM lands we have a win-win solution to prevent the transmission of brucellosis from elk or bison to cattle using public lands.
The Gallatin National Forest is already there in the 2 allotments they administer in the Taylor Fork of the Upper Gallatin with cattle not entering the area until July 1 or July 10. These are the kind of win-win opportunities that exist and are continually ignored by the agencies and their so-call “adaptive” interagency bison management plan. The “Plan” states that bison can not cross the Sage Creek-Wapiti Creek divide due to the presence of cattle allotments on Forest Service public lands in the Taylor Fork. With July cattle turnout dates already in place and plenty of elk already calving in the area, why are bison excluded? It makes no sense.
You have both made some great points here. It is interesting to note that the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest is currently revising its Forest Plan. In response to comments on that plan (p596) at the link provided below the forest service states – “The Forest Plan does not address brucellosis.”
http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/b-d/forest-plan/feis-plan/feis/a-feis-ch-5-response-comt.pdf
Interesting, given that thousands of elk wintering in the Madison Valley and elsewhere will likely calve on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest on sagebrush/conifer rangelands that are also dedicated to federally subsidized cattle allotments.
If you are of the mindset that brucellosis actually matters, the science indicates that brucella bacteria has never persisted passed June 15 in the Greater Yellowstone Area, even when scientists purposely placed infected aborted fetuses in the field (Aune et. al unpublished). Thus, cattle allotment turnout dates of June 15 or later – preferably July 1 is pretty rock solid prevention mitigation against any possible brucellosis transmission event between cattle and elk. Since bison begin calving about a month before elk, usually mid-April while elk typically beginning calving mid-May, there is less risk from bison than elk as spring advances. However, with a slight modification in public land grazing turnouts on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest and neighboring BLM lands we have a win-win solution to prevent the transmission of brucellosis from elk or bison to cattle using public lands.
The Gallatin National Forest is already there in the 2 allotments they administer in the Taylor Fork of the Upper Gallatin with cattle not entering the area until July 1 or July 10. These are the kind of win-win opportunities that exist and are continually ignored by the agencies and their so-call “adaptive” interagency bison management plan. The “Plan” states that bison can not cross the Sage Creek-Wapiti Creek divide due to the presence of cattle allotments on Forest Service public lands in the Taylor Fork. With July cattle turnout dates already in place and plenty of elk already calving in the area, why are bison excluded? It makes no sense.
My comment about using the bean bags is dervived from bear conditioning measures to keep them away from humans.
The comments about increasing the bison range sail right past the issue I posed. We have limited range space available. When a bsion population exceeds the carrying capacity of that range, how best to manage that population? NOT one bison advocate will address the best possible measures to maintain sustainable herds in finite range space.
I was a hunter, but with age and accidents taking their toll I no longer hunt. Even when I did hunt I wouldn't hunt my own 'backyard' because I like having the animals around.
Hunting as a management tool, is one thing. But USING hunters to eradicate is an entirely different issue. That's like taking the kid you babysit to the store and having him/her shoplift for you. Your not doing it so you shouldn't get in trouble. That's the mentality of the Agencies using the Hunter the way it is set up now. To stop a hunt in order to haze is stupid. If they are going to have a hunt let the hunters hunt. If not then don't. But quit trying to 'fool' the public with having their so-called hunt.
When the Park Service hazed and captured those Bison over by Gardener the other day, why didn't they allow the tag holders to harvest them?
BECAUSE. It wouldn't have cost the tax-payers to have 'hunters' do it, and it wouldn't have allowed the Agencies to use up funds.
There are thousands of acres on this side of the Park that are in dire need of some kind of grazing. There are No Cattle allotments so why won't they let the Bison graze it off. The people out here want the Bison here. But again it boils down to the Budget and tax-payer dollars being taken away from the Agencies if they down't waste them away on these goofy operations.
And Tim is right Bison are wild no matter how you may want to spin it Craig. Even the hand fed domesticated ones still have the Wild streak in them. Many people who thought they had 'tamed' their Bison have been gored or trampled to death. Just as a hybrid wolf still has the instincts of the wolf. I don't care how many generations of hybrid you get there is ALWAYS the wild instinct.
Regarding bison abortion events being extremely rare please see work done by APHIS (Rhyan et al 2001) on the web at:
http://www.jwildlifedis.org/cgi/reprint/37/1/101.pdf
Only 2 naturally occuring abortions have ever been documented with lab proof of Brucella abortus as the cause.
No "bison advocate" that I know has any problem with the concept of bison hunting to "manage" the herd. Though not ideal, in today's modern world it is a completely acceptable form of "management".
The problem is that we keep bison "caged" in Yellowstone National Park ten months a year, where (as you point out) they are very used to people being harmless, only to open the "gates", as it were, during hunting season. Allowing them out of the park only to be shot or captured and sent to slaughter. Surely you do not consider this to be sportsmanlike?
Additionally, forcing bison to live year around on their Summer range (in the Park), is kind of like setting aside a preserve for Monarch butterflies in the United States (their Summer range) while slashing and burning their Winter habitat in Mexico or South America. They cannot survive without both. There are millions of acres of suitable habitat outside of the park. Much of it excellent Winter range.
All that we want for bison is that they be treated just like every other large mammal in the Yellowstone ecosystem. No better....no worse.
Why don't you go stand by one of those "zoo animal" bison and I'll take your picture. Be sure and pet him on the nose.
Another well written and on the point article. Why can't you be president?
Buffalo are herd animals and travel as a herd, and they go thru fences...big fences if they want to be someplace else. They are hunted and killed jsut like they were in the old days because they jsut stand and watch the others fall around them, they don't hide like elk, never have, never will. Now days of course hundreds are not killed out of one herd like they were then.
If you truly do believe that disease is not a problem try to get your state to take a dozen of them untested and turn them loose in a state or national park in the area. Do not expect a handful of ranch families to carry the burden for you to feel good about yourself. Why are folks so intent on making others who have so much to lose live with the disease? Let's all work together to eradicate the disease, then let them roam where they will from Chicago west. Then at least when they have to be dealt with due to homes or freeways, it doesn't fall on a few people to carry the burden.
The cattle that have been infected have all been immunized, at least those in Wyoming. That is one of the reasons that rumors of deliberate infecting with super doses of brucella by the anticow groups floats around from time to time. The ranchers have done everything in their power to protect their herds, and they still lose everything when they get an infected animal.
Buffalo are not the same as deer, antelope, or elk, or any other wild animals, they are big, they are destructive if they want to go somewhere. Fences won't hold them.
There is a program on domestic buffs and those who raise them on tv, and they mention that even the best of fences will sometimes be breached by them.
The idea of vaccinated Bison roaming the interior of our country is a great one, but it still comes down to public Bison eating what ranchers believe is their private cattle grass. I'm all for it myself. Interestingly I live surrounded by Ted's Bison and I've never seen one roaming I-15. His fences seem to work very well.
Marion, ranchers bear some of the burden but the rest of us pay for it with our tax dollars. We pay for ranchers to graze their animals on PUBLIC LANDS. That's right, PUBLIC LANDS that are paid for by the PUBLIC. Ranchers get to graze their livestock on public land. They receive subsidies. I have spoken with ranchers who don't have grazing allotments on public lands and they have said that they would, in a heartbeat, accept an allotment on public lands--wolves, bison and all--because it is so much cheaper than what they have to pay. So the ranchers who have these coveted allotments essentially get assistance from government to turn a profit and they complain about it.
Last I heard, Montana livestock were not vaccinated. So maybe you should go after them for not taking it seriously and stop putting all your problems on bison and city dwellers--if you want to live in the west and enjoy the wilderness, you need to deal with, you guessed it, the wilderness. And you should be thanking city denizens for wanting to stay in their crowded cities--do you want them to move out West so they can have a say about THEIR public lands in these areas? If you want to eradicate brucellosis, which was brought over by European livestock, then you need to address it in elk as well. Numerous agencies (including APHIS and the National Academy of Science) have said that without addressing it in elk, it would be virtually impossible to eradicate in bison. Billions of tax dollars have gone into eradicating brucellosis and yet the elk are ignored. You conveniently ignore the transmission of brucellosis to cattle from elk and keep harping on bison. Very logical.
I suspect one reason that Teds buffs are not getting out is because he controls the numbers for the amount of feed he has for them, including hay and probably grain. If they get hungry, they'll go where they want to.
There about 225000 bison in the US today. The YNP herd has about 4700, 200 short of the all time high population.
Issues:
1. How do bison advocates and the BFC define 'wild,' ferae naturae, as applied to the 4700 and the 225000?
2. How much finite range is enough for the bison in Montana and everywhere else? Buffalo Commons?
3. What herd size management control measures are acceptable? If they fail, is commercial slaughter acceptable?
Without the definitions, facts, and data it is impossible to discuss the issues here beyond the emotional dimension.
Are you implying that when elk get hungry, they don't go where they want? Seems I've seen THEM traveling in HERDS. Seems like I've seen THEM go through a fence or two.
When they slaughter bison that test positive for brucellosis antibodies, what do they do with the meat? Donate it for human consumption!!!! Brucellosis is such a health problem, yet they donate the meat for HUMAN CONSUMPTION! Hmmmm! Seems like the only REAL problem is that it can cause a cow to abort. I say, let the buffalo roam (sounds better than bison in this context), and in the unlikely event that some cows get brucellosis, reimburse the rancher for the lost calf and get on with our lives! Makes a lot more sense, and would be a heck of a lot cheaper, than all this hazing, capturing, testing, slaughtering etc., etc.
Craig:
#1 You know the answer to that. First, most of those 2 million some odd bison you speak of have some cow genes. The Yellowstone bison do not, and are descended from wild bison without break from time immemorial (with the exception of the supplementation mentioned above..18 cows and two bulls were brought in from private herds). All other wild herds that are left are very small and confined to very small areas, and WERE reintroduced. The Yellowstone herd is, therefore, considered to be the last truly wild, genetically pure, free roaming herd in the United States.
#2 How much habitat is enough for elk or deer? What bison need is Summer AND Winter habitat (at minimum). There is plenty of habitat available. Once again, it's not like they come out of the park and walk into Bozeman.
#3 What herd size is acceptable for elk? That's for state biologists to figure out. Herd size would be controlled just as elk herd size is controlled. With a legitimate hunt. Not a shooting gallery. Not a hunt that has the audacity to charge for and issue tags for an animal that may or may not be in the state for you to hunt (depending on weather etc.); but a true RESIDENT species. A REAL, FAIR CHASE bison hunt in Montana would draw people from around the world, just as our elk hunts do now.
Buffalo are not elk, they will stand their ground, they do not hide, there was never and never will be a hunt like a deer hunt. they are far more destructive than other animals.
Every effort is made to control elk numbers, not only inside of Yellowstoen, but also in the states themselves.
Like it or lump it brucellosis is a bad disease for humans, as well as livestock. Again, none of you want to address why it is that you are not insisting that these infected animals not be turned loose in other states, try the dairy producing states for a beginner. Infecting herds of cattle destroys a great deal more than the calf that is lost, they destroy a lifetime of work for entire families. Ranchers spend thousands of their own money to prevent the disease and you guys are intent on getting it spread more and more. I simply do not understand.
You refuse to see the truth of the situation. Fine. You could kill every last bison in the GYE and that still won't eradicate brucellosis because THE ELK HAVE IT TOO (along with a number of other species). You keep blaming everything on bison and claiming that opponents of the current bison management plan are not addressing "the real issue of insisting that these infected animals not be turned loose in other states". That particular comment is along the same lines as Craigs--let's not concern ourselves with the facts of bison and brucellosis, let's just label them as bad. Let's ignore the elk. Let's ignore the impact that subsidizing ranchers on public lands has on all of us. Let's ignore anyone who says anything other than--yes, kill the bison! That will solve it all and we'll all live happy and brucellosis free. For the love of little green apples! Your lack of logic and willful ignorance of the facts is so infuriating.
Put that Money into Vaccine research to vaccinate the dang Cattle. It would save a heck of a lot of headaches and tax-payer dollars.
Horses and cattle go through fences, so Marion you want to
kill all of them too?
Cattle and Horses chew the paint off vehicles you don't call that damage?
Once a cow aborts because of the Brucella it is then immune.
USDA can hoof-print the Brucella and find out where it originated and they feel they can controll it from doing this.
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2006/060120.htm
So why in the WORLD won't they be allowed to do it? BECAUSE the BUDGET the DOL gets. They don't want to lose that money they waste on hazes. And with people like Marion and Craig not being able to see the real TRUTH they continue to waste our money and the Ranchers livelihoods.
Marion you are one of the worst for trying to destroy a ranchers way of life, because you push for wasting the money instead of actually doing something about a vaccine.
Craig I don't know how many times you have to be told that 'hunting' would be a viable management tool but not when it's handled this way. There needs to be habitat year round and OUTSIDE the DANG PARK!!!!
Since neither of you live anywhere near where these Bison would be habitating what the heck is your problem?
And if ANYONE thinks that the Bison will be all over the place i.e. interstates and downtown Bozeman, you need a shrink.
I for one don't like the Gvt using me for ANY of their underhanded tactics. Unlike some of the people that act like the sheep they used to raise.
It's so nice to know that you know all about me.
For one I'm NOT a BFC member never have been and never will be.
You have Proof the BFC is against harvesting as a management tool once there is habitat OUTSIDE the Park FOR the Bison? Then show me.
I complain about the hunters and the way they do things, i.e. parking in the middle of the roads causing the locals to get stuck trying to go around the vehicle, cutting fences (that I have to repair), going down my PRIVATE road when it's posted NOT to do so. When they Trespass on any ones property that doesn't want the hunter on there. When they call some of the elderly as well as myself names. When they shoot a bison and leave it to suffer for over two hours while they pick their noses. When they leave their trash all over the place.
Yes I complain when the DOL run Bison through the fences and through deep snow and out on to the thin ice causing some to drown. But you know what? As much as I despise sheep I would complain if I saw them treated this way to. (and yes I wear wool, but won't eat mutton)
I complain that people like you are so gullible to think that the Gvt is up front and honest with you on the reasons behind their actions.
I complain that my tax payer money is wasted on these operations, when the only thing the operation actually accomplishes is keeping the Agents off the unemployment line.
So my dear Craig, again you fly off the plow handle when you shouldn't have.
Just so you know I've been over to the BFC camp and had Elk, Deer, Antelope, Moose, and Bear at their dinners. I have Bison in my own freezer, along with a porcupine, (I'm NOT going to eat the porcupine though). So Quit acting like you know all about me or the BFC.
YUP and every one of those was to do with PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS being ignored by belligerent hunters, and DOL. The one that was left to suffer was shot on PRIVATE PROPERTY, and left to suffer on PRIVATE NO HUNTER PROPERTY. The name calling was done on PRIVATE PROPERTY. So Craig you do NOT have a clue.
What happens on the Forest Service is not my concern as long as it's done 'legally', and nothing is made to suffer, and they are not shooting anywhere near my buildings and livestock or family. Or my friends.....
I will continue to complain about this so-called hunt too until there is habitat available to these Bison YEAR around, and the DOL gets out of the mix.
The updates you talk about, NOT ONCE have said NO to hunting as a management tool IF there is year around outside the Park habitat. And the DOL no longer controls WILD LIFE!
The more you assume the less you know.
Immunizing and destroying livestock alone just isn't going to do it. No herd has ever had anywhere near the percentage of positive animals as the elk (3-5%) and bison (30-40%), yet they are destroyed even though they have been immunized and supposedly the rest of the herd are immune. The buffs and elk are encouraged to breed and increase. This is not going to solve the problem. At least the elk can be hunted in reasonable numbers. We have to get serious and eliminate the disease...period.
A quick note. You start with the assumption that we need to eliminate the disease. Brucellosis is no longer a public health issue, and is only a problem for livestock producers who may lose some of their calves to abortion.
This entire brucellosis control program is another subsidy to the livestock industry. It is another externalization of business costs by the ranching industry imposed upon the public and the public's wildlife.
The cost of protecting one's livestock from brucellosis should be a cost of doing business. One can do a lot to avoid contracting the disease including moving livestock from places where bison, elk, and so forth are found, instead of removing wildlife. They could even start lobbying to close the feedlots in Wyoming--which for the most part ranchers support even though it helps to spread brucellosis among elk.
Ranchers could immunize their cattle, and also purchase special insurance, not unlike wheat farmers who have hail insurance in the event that a storm takes out their crop.
This not a public responsibility or issue. Instead this is just one more example of the livestock industry transferring its costs upon the public.
They both seem to think as long as even one person contracts the disease it is a helath issue. You might also want to provide them with your studies that show it is not a problem, or they might ignore you.
For the life of me, I cannot see how even the most obtuse can think that controlling brucellosis is a subsidy to ranchers. They pay to vaccinate their own cattle, they pay to try to keep them separated, and they pay dearly if they still get an infected cow, they pay hundreds of thousands of dollars.
This problem should not even involve the livestock industry, it is a poor management problem of the NPS and G&F;departments. It is also shear stupidity to insist on keeping the disease alive and well.
With all of the emerging diseases, that's what the government should be spending its money on. How much West Nile is there in Greybull, Marion?
Here in SE Idaho, the incidence has been the highest in the United States, e.g., Bingham County in 2006.
Why isn't there a vaccine by now? . . . wrong governmental priorities I think.
You have the type of mind set that if some one is in a coma PULL the PLUG.
If someone breaks a bone cut that part off instead of trying to fix it.
Like has been said many times before APHIS is antiquated in their policies and people like you Marion continue to feed the fear.
Just because some of us respond to these posts doesn't mean we are NOT trying to get APHIS to admit to the stupid costly actions they are doing.
Marion do you have a dog? or a cat? do you vaccinate it for Rabies? if so then you too are keeping Rabies alive and well. Rabies is a far more SERIOUS disease than Brucellosis, But maybe you can get the Idea.
The Vaccine is where the money should be spent NOT in killing everything that lives in the wild.
This is nothing more than a witch hunt and the Bison (not the Elk and all other animals with the disease) are the witches.
Catch up with the times!
Would you be so up in arms if the Bison were only 500 in number and never left the park? Bet not. You wouldn't give a tinkers dam if they had Brucellosis or not. So admit it the disease isn't the problem is it? You don't like Bison.
Good point about West Nile. I can just see the Gvt. out there rounding up all the mosquitos for slaughter, to eradicate the disease, instead of working on the VACCINE.
People need to take precaustions for themselves, and not expect the government to change their pants for them when they have an accident. Hate to say it Marion but that's what the liberals do. Run to the Gvt. to fix what they are to lazy to take precaustions for. Not like you don't KNOW about Brucellosis and how it is transmitted.
How much do you think it woudl cost to develop a vaccine for every human in the country to be immunized against brucellosis as compared to the cost of eradicating the disease?
Ann, yep, I'd be concerned about brucellosis if there were only 500 buffalo left, especially if they dropped from the near 5000 now. That to me would be an indication of disease and of course brucellosis would be a consideration. It might even be an indication that the disease had mutated and was killing the buffalo cows shortly after infection like lab studies have indicated happens with moose.
I was saying IF there were only 500 Bison in the Park from the beginning, and they weren't coming out of the park. So this is a hypothetical.
Your Moose scenario is another Lab experiment. There are Moose all over the area on my side of the park. I even have a Cow moose in the pasture. All the lab experiments don't even come close to what goes on in nature.
If you were so concerned like you say you are why aren't you fighting the Feed lots there in Wyoming? Those are TEN times, at least, more dangerous to the Cattle industry, than a few Bison wandering around.
From what I gather you are one that just sits there and swallows ALL the Gvt. has to tell you.
How you came up with the idea Ralph wants to save the mosquito, is beyond me.
Who ever said to vaccinate humans for Brucellosis? You take precaustions and there is absolutely NO RISK for humans to contract the disease. You improve the Vaccine for the cattle and problem solved. A lot less costly too than what is going on now.
Kind of like driving a car. Keep your eyes open while driving, pay attention, and the RISK of an accident is reduced immensely.
I wonder if the citizens of America have already lost as many rights as the bison.
Rule by Fear or Rule by Law?
By Lewis Seiler and Dan Hamburg
The San Francisco Chronicle
Monday 04 February 2008
"The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - Winston Churchill, Nov. 21, 1943
Since 9/11, and seemingly without the notice of most Americans, the federal government has assumed the authority to institute martial law, arrest a wide swath of dissidents (citizen and noncitizen alike), and detain people without legal or constitutional recourse in the event of "an emergency influx of immigrants in the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs."
Beginning in 1999, the government has entered into a series of single-bid contracts with Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root (KBR) to build detention camps at undisclosed locations within the United States. The government has also contracted with several companies to build thousands of railcars, some reportedly equipped with shackles, ostensibly to transport detainees.
According to diplomat and author Peter Dale Scott, the KBR contract is part of a Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of "all removable aliens" and "potential terrorists."
Fraud-busters such as Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, have complained about these contracts, saying that more taxpayer dollars should not go to taxpayer-gouging Halliburton. But the real question is: What kind of "new programs" require the construction and refurbishment of detention facilities in nearly every state of the union with the capacity to house perhaps millions of people?
Sect. 1042 of the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), "Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies," gives the executive the power to invoke martial law. For the first time in more than a century, the president is now authorized to use the military in response to "a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or any other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order."
The Military Commissions Act of 2006, rammed through Congress just before the 2006 midterm elections, allows for the indefinite imprisonment of anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on a list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies. The law calls for secret trials for citizens and noncitizens alike.
Also in 2007, the White House quietly issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 (NSPD-51), to ensure "continuity of government" in the event of what the document vaguely calls a "catastrophic emergency." Should the president determine that such an emergency has occurred, he and he alone is empowered to do whatever he deems necessary to ensure "continuity of government." This could include everything from canceling elections to suspending the Constitution to launching a nuclear attack. Congress has yet to hold a single hearing on NSPD-51.
U.S. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Venice (Los Angeles County) has come up with a new way to expand the domestic "war on terror." Her Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (HR1955), which passed the House by the lopsided vote of 404-6, would set up a commission to "examine and report upon the facts and causes" of so-called violent radicalism and extremist ideology, then make legislative recommendations on combatting it.
According to commentary in the Baltimore Sun, Rep. Harman and her colleagues from both sides of the aisle believe the country faces a native brand of terrorism, and needs a commission with sweeping investigative power to combat it.
A clue as to where Harman's commission might be aiming is the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, a law that labels those who "engage in sit-ins, civil disobedience, trespass, or any other crime in the name of animal rights" as terrorists. Other groups in the crosshairs could be anti-abortion protesters, anti-tax agitators, immigration activists, environmentalists, peace demonstrators, Second Amendment rights supporters ... the list goes on and on. According to author Naomi Wolf, the National Counterterrorism Center holds the names of roughly 775,000 "terror suspects" with the number increasing by 20,000 per month.
What could the government be contemplating that leads it to make contingency plans to detain without recourse millions of its own citizens?
The Constitution does not allow the executive to have unchecked power under any circumstances. The people must not allow the president to use the war on terrorism to rule by fear instead of by law.
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Lewis Seiler is the president of Voice of the Environment, Inc. Dan Hamburg, a former congressman, is executive director
This quote indicates to me that he considers vaccination to be the answer, not eradicating mosquitos. Vaccines are developed by medical researchers, not politicians. We have pesticides available, but many cannot be used due to effets on wildlife.
I guess I do not understand your point Ann, even though I stand up, about the 500 buffs. What is it? I want to see brucellosis eradicated in the US period, and since we are the only remaining repository for it, it would seem that would need to be attended to here.
As a matter of fact I do ant to see brucellosis eliminated from the feed grounds even if that means such a heavy hunting season that they are all killed and we have to start over. Unfortunately the FEDERAL feedground at Jackson is not under any kind of control by Wyoming. Perhaps you would have some influence closing that down.
Once you decide that it is up to property owners to move the livestock they bought the property to run them on so you can use it for your species du jour, you are trampling on some very basic private property rights.
What about the people that buy Property, for a safe haven for wildlife? Do their rights get to be trampled on? Especially when there is absolutely NO possibility for a disease to get transmitted.
You seem to think that just because someone owns livestock they should get special treatment. Well I don't. If you OWN the property, then you should be allowed to keep anyone or thing off it that you don't want on it. The same as you should be allowed to let anything on it that you want there. ESPECIALLY when there is NO risk to anyone or thing in the area.
Why is it so hard for you to see that an improved vaccine FOR cattle is a more sensible way to go than to continue the way things are going. It's obvious these tactics they have been using are NOT working, as Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming have already proven. It isn't the Bison it's the ELK. (it makes as much sense as seeing a fox kill your chickens so you go out and eliminate every hawk that flies around and ignore the fox den behind the coop)
And to say that this is the only repository left is completely absurd. When the disease is worldwide. And to think you were/are in the healthcare profession, I would hate to think how you would treat someone with AIDS or leprosy. Or would you refuse to give care to someone that has it? I would hope that you would be smart enough to take the precaustions necessary to prevent you from contracting the disease, and NOT 'pull their plug'.
I support the gradual return of the bison as a free-ranging wild species and am also appalled by the corrupt and dishonest way in which the Yellowstone herds are mismanaged today. Yes, bangs must be controlled, but on the basis of facts and not through manipulative scare tactics as it is done today. You also already know what I think of a lot of the people posting here and their "make the nice talk to soften them up, then do a double reverse to make them so confused that they either cop to your line or stand in stupefied silence" schtick.
I am on your side, even kind of a neighbor; however, I'm also a cattleman raising a registered herd of a relatively rare and ancient cattle, where my focus is on the breed and not the meat. Through this process, I have had to learn to focus on the preservation and nurturing of genetic bandwidth in a limited population and have thus had to learn how tricks in population management can help or hinder your ability to make best use of what you have to preserve what is most important over the longer term, which is the genetics. Please forgive me if you already know what I am going to tell you.
First, I see BFC and others placing a great emphasis on the value of individual bison and their humane treatment and these things are very important; however, as individuals, each of us will inevitably come and go and that applies to individual bison as well. What is really important over the long run is what happens to the family tree and that means the genetics. In a constrained population, which is the case in these bison and in any rare species, your top priority is to keep from losing any of your remaining genetic range. I'm an old man and just as chauvinistic as the next old geezer; but, the truth is that, from the standpoint of preserving the full genetic range of the population, males are barely even relevant; it's all about the females, especially in herd animals where polygamy is the norm anyway.
Let me explain using bison as the specific example. As a group, your heifers and cows carry all the genetic material of the herd with the exception of only the Y chromosome. Only the bulls carry the Y; but, the Y is one of the chromosomes, if not the chromosome, carrying the least amount of information; it's basically mostly just a switch; and it usually, depending on the species, has some of the least variability, least diversity, across all the other bulls within the population. In terms of the Y, one bull is pretty much about as good as another and all the other chromosomes are shared with the heifers and cows anyway. It pains me to say it; but, from the standpoint of preserving genetic bandwidth, we bulls are not all that valuable regardless of the circumstances.
When you look at population dynamics in herd animals, the effect is even more pronounced. Yes, you need bulls in the herd, but only at a rate of between one and ten percent depending on the species and the terrain that the bulls need to cover in order to cover all the heifers and cows. Most of the bulls beyond the number absolutely necessary will rarely breed anyway; they are driven out to become bachelors who only eat the grass that could be more productively allocated to the cows and cause fights that reduce the vigor of the bulls that do become herd bulls and do the breeding. Over the long run, a population of bulls that is close to the minimum required to fully do their job will allow greater use of available habitat, which is artificially constrained to the Park at this point, by the heifers and cows; enable the population of heifers and cows to stay as large as the constrained habitat will allow; and thus represent the most efficient approach to preserving the genetics, until such time that the habitat is no longer so constrained.
So, what am I saying in terms of how we work to preserve the Yellowstone bison? First, I'm not saying that we shift focus away from efforts to let the buffalo roam. Expanding the range must remain the target. Second and as long as we are dealing with artificially constrained habitat, I'm saying that the focus needs to remain on preserving the genetics of the herd, even though we might not want to see individual animals slaughtered or mistreated. Third, I'm saying that, in order to most efficiently pursue sustainment of the genetics in artificially constrained habitat, the focus needs be on saving the heifers and cows, even when it means trading bulls for heifers and cows. If a hunt helps the cause politically, then oppose the hunting of heifers and cows with the knowledge that "harvesting" bulls comes at lesser risk to the objective. If you have limited resources, time or money, to fight animals being shipped to slaughter, then direct those resources toward saving the heifers and cows, especially the younger cows in cases where you might not get too many more calves, heifer calves, out of an older cow.
...just my suggestions for working a strategy in the bison's ultimate favor.
There are very few if any diseases that have been eradicated. BUT preventable is another story. And without KILLING everything out there.
My complaint as to the killing of the Bulls, is in two places One: The Bull and steer of the Morgan herd. There was NO need to slaughter them since they had absolutely no chance of spreading the disease. To me, APHIS and the cattle industry, are not using known facts to enforce their outdated rules. If they really were concerned for the Rancher and his herd, they would have only slaughtered the ones that were infected, monitored the rest and left the Bull and steer alone. Or kept that herd in a quarantine , and studied it to try and improve a vaccine for cattle. The Budget the DOL gets for their operations could have covered the entire cost (of the first scenario) and still had an abundance left over for someone else's herd were it found infected. How much is it costing to keep those Bison calves in quarantine, how much easier would it be to handle domestic than the bison?
Second: APHIS says they will slaughter to prevent transmission of the disease. Well then since we all know that Bulls can't transmit, why do they insist on killing the Bulls? Again it's as you said, they are CORRUPT and DISHONEST, mostly to the Rancher of whom they profess to try and protect. After all Bison are not ants, and it's pretty easy to tell the difference between Bulls and Cows, so they could sort them out and release the Bulls, and save money that would be spent on slaughtering and transporting the bull. BUT NO. They have a bottomless pocket and why should they try to save a few bucks. I'm not sure of the cost of transporting a Bull to the slaughter house and paying to have it processed, but I would bet it would cover the cost of vaccinating and testing at least one or two domestic cattle.
I was not raised to see that kind of thing go on and just sit there on my hands and say nothing, or bow my head and suck it up.
Don't get me wrong I know what you mean about the genetics, but my point is, to point out how APHIS lies to get acceptance. There are more holes in their reasoning than a spaghetti sieve.
By the Way GOOD LUCK with your endeavor.
"Let's all work together to eradicate the disease, then let them roam where they will from Chicago west."
You cannot vaccinate only part of a susceptible population and ahve results, it must be all or none. That is why schools will not allow kids without immunizations to attend. It simply does not work to immunize only half of the kids.
It is the stance of many buffalo folks that brucellosis was brought here by European cattle (although I don't know that is proven 100%), but the same folks are adamant that it would not be "natural" to eradicate the disease from the Yellowstone area, I simply cannot follow that logic.
By the way can you direct me to studies that have proven beyond a doubt that infected bulls cannot transmit the disease? It is a disease of the reproductive system that can be transmitted orally, as well as blood to an open wound. I believe the female calves at that are being isolated are going to be test bred to infected bulls to test that theory aren't they, or is it jsut to test vaccine?
Just as you can't give me any studies that prove Bison can or have transmitted the disease to cattle in natural settings.
Your school scenario is a perfect example. The children (cattle) that enter the school, (pastures in proximity of Bison) are vaccinated. And when a new strain of flu etc. is discovered they improve the vaccine. SAME THING. They don't go around vaccinating or banning all the vendors, suppliers, visitors, or anything else that pops in and out of the school. They vaccinate the darling little kids. (cattle). When the vaccine's quit working they IMPROVE the vaccine. They don't go out there and try to eradicate everything that might or has come in contact with the bug. Oh yes they could try, but for once they actually realize it is more cost effective to vaccinate the children.
I can't understand how you having been in the health profession would even begin to think you can eradicate a disease. Even if you think you can then you've made your first mistake because you've let your guard down, to the next strain to infect. And that can be totally devistating
AJ’s rule number one; until we have respect for all the animal and vegetative life we put into our bodies, we will be abusive in thought and action to anything involving their death or management… or something like that. It is not good for our soul to lose respect.
When we gain respect we begin to understand the value of all ages of each sex for that species. If we look to animal agriculture, as you have for “inspiration” of your advocacy, we soon find out the Industrial Revolutions efficiency lags far behind nature’s model. For one, agriculture’s ultimate goal of fast growth and “rate of gain” ends up with a product of watered down nutrition. There is nothing sustainable, ecologically or economically, in any of ag’s teachings today. Chromosome X and Y is a scholarly discovery, but it does not answer herd genetic needs.
Your promotion of males as semen reservoirs is a slap in the face to all males of all species. In nature’s herds, every animal has a role. Each of these roles allows for the greater benefit of the entire herd. Instinctual roles, however, can only become functional if applied to nature’s way of achieving genetic diversity and efficiency. This means extended families, something every herd animal (including humans) has depended on for all of their evolutionary development.
To use your example of bison, in Yellowstone and in my own herd, one sees young males acting as baby sitters while mommy is on a date. Yearling male brothers and cousins are called on to do this more than yearling females because males grow faster. Female babysitters start as two year olds. By that time, the two and three year old males are feeling the hormones working. Their role is to stir up the younger pre estrus females so they all come in heat at the same time. The young males may be having a lot of fun chasing the fillies, but when the girls tire of this they make a bee line to the big ole grand fathers for protection. The young studs skid to a halt and can only hope, “Next year.” Pre estrus fun soon turns into estrus action. Then when the young bulls pester them, the females scamper to the sides of the real studs. It’s all kind of like what happens at a dance when the young guys are jumping around on the floor with the gals. But the girls eventually leave with the older guys who have the cars.
Do you sort of get the idea, Mike? Non breeding males, young and old, have functions that help the herd as a whole. Mommy on a date has more time to select the mate she wants. In agricultural terms, this means a higher conception rate. The 2-3 year old males also have the time to learn from the big guys how to be a good sire. And the breeding age bulls can look forward to helping the herd out as protectors when they no longer are accepted in the bedrooms of the matriarchal extended family. They are not discards!!
You see, nature’s herds obtain line breeding without ag sciences perpetual problem of inbreeding. Females don’t calve until 3-4 years of age and males are competitive for only 2-3 years (6-8 years of age). Thus, a matriarchal family group has grand mothers, mothers and daughters who pass on the traits of the same male, without inbreeding. This main bull will also have a younger (non-related) hero-worshipping buddy tagging along who breeds any younger females coming into heat later. The maximum size of each matriarchal unit (60-70) also means spin off satellite groups (20-30) happens before inbreeding occurs in the main power group.
When it comes to genetics and skill at manipulating to get all those “superior” traits, just remember you will never be able to achieve the success of functioning herd animals. Please let me know if you or your instructors find a way to pass on genetic traits of an individual sterile or non breeding animal. This of course happens all the time in extended families. The traits of the individual most beneficial for familial support and communal life will be selected and continue on, irrelevant of whether he or she breeds. His or her traits are passed on as a collective product of that family.
Mike, your beliefs are understandable, but not excusable. These “facts