WILD BILL

The Absurdity We Call “Public Involvement”


By Bill Schneider, 3-09-06

This column might be a bit of a rant, but this subject has been giving me high blood pressure for a long time. It had to erupt.

In early January, I suggested Idaho had not made a smooth move when it launched a controversial wolf-killing plan before the ink had dried on the documents transferring management from the feds to the state wildlife agency. To me, this seemed like getting off on the wrong foot and could discourage or delay transfer of state control in other states and for other species—or even create enough political backlash to prompt the feds to re-take control of wolf management in Idaho.

But the toothpaste was already out of the tube, and the Idaho Department of Fish and Game (DFG) charged ahead with the next step, soliciting comments from the public. That’s the subject of this column, the embarrassing craziness we commonly but incorrectly refer to as “public involvement.”

In thirty years of working for and with agencies and writing about citizen-initiated conservation efforts, I have yet to see a proposal yanked or substantially altered due to the results of “public involvement.” I have, however, seen many examples of agencies coming up with their plan, going through the motions of soliciting public comment, and then going ahead when they feel they’ve met legal requirements. With cosmetic adjustments at best, the “draft” plan morphs into the final plan, regardless of how lopsided the public comments. This sends a strong message that most agencies consider “public involvement” little more than an annoying delay.

I’m not saying Idaho shouldn’t kill a few wolves, but the wolf-killing plan, good or bad, is great example of the absurdity we call “public involvement.” All along this has not been what Idaho is doing, but how the state is doing it.

The DFG received 42,000 comments. I haven’t been able to get an exact percentage, but in interpreting the comments, I suspect 90 percent or more opposed to the plan, but the department dismissed the comments because many of them resulted from an e-mail alert sent out by the Defenders of Wildlife. The official DFG press release admitted the “vast majority opposed the proposal.” Even comments not resulting from the Defenders e-mail campaign, according to the release, were “stacked up 2 to 1 against the proposal.”

But these facts didn’t even slow down the train. At the earliest opportunity (March 3), the Idaho Fish and Game Commission not only unanimously gave the green light to submit the plan to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) for approval but also ordered the department to do it fast, within 30 days.

To the 42,000 people who took the time to send comments, this says “you don’t matter.” At least the commission could apologize for wasting peoples’ time by perpetrating a charade under the guise of “public involvement.” Anybody taking the time to send a comment to a public agency on an public resource issue maters. Even a form letter or e-mail takes time and effort to send, and it matters.

The bitter truth is, of course, that all 42,000 comments could have come from rural Idahoans, written in long hand on tear-soaked paper, but it still wouldn’t have mattered. The fix was in on this plan, and Idaho politics dictates that it goes to the FWS for review. If the evil feds reject it, well, that’s okay, because state political appointees can feel secure in their positions for the immediate future, and the federal government can be the scapegoat once again.

I’m generally in support of the state’s right to manage wildlife, but if this is the way it works, maybe we should leave power with the feds. I challenge any public official in Idaho to say with a straight face that this whole process wasn’t driven by politics.

There’s a perception among agency managers that they should do what they believe is right (or what their boss, the governor or president, thinks is right) instead of what the public wants them to do. With a narrowly split constituency, this might be true, but not when nine out of ten people want change. Everybody understands this process is not an election, but when comments are solidly one-sided against a plan, the agency should re-consider. Public comments should not be dismissed because they disagree with the intended plan or come from nonresidents or from mass-mail or Internet-based programs.

I dearly wish the Idaho situation was an isolated case, but this public snubbing happens all the time. The Idaho case is, in fact, far down the list of bad examples of misuse of the “public involvement” process. It just happens to be the most current. A few weeks ago, for example, I wrote about the Roadless Rule, which netted the most public comments ever, 1.2 million almost all of them in favor of the rule, but that didn’t stop the Bush administration from quickly scuttling it.

For a decade or more, we’ve been hearing about the snowmobile controversy in Yellowstone National Park. Several “public involvement” efforts have brought in many, many thousands of comments. Again, 90 percent or more wanted snowmobiles banned in the park, but did this happen?

Here’s one more. As I write this, the FWS is doing “public involvement” on the delistng of the Yellowstone grizzly. I’ll give anybody long odds that 90 percent of more will oppose removing the big bear from the protections of the Endangered Species Act, but I can guarantee you—yes, I meant to say guarantee—that the delisting will go forward regardless of what happens at the public hearings or what comments come in. Why are we even wasting time having these hearings and asking for written comments? Let’s save everybody’s time and money and go right to the courthouse.

Agencies say “public involvement” is not a popularity contest. Instead, it’s about science, about finding ‘substantive” comments. But even when comments show—as they frequently do—that science is on shaky ground at best, there’s still no change in course.

And I have to ask, should it be all about science? These are public agencies managing public resources. You’d think they should listen to people who own these resources. When most people agree on scientific facts, incidentally, there’s rarely much controversy.

In defending their dismissal of lopsided adverse comments, government officials frequently claim lots of people support them but aren’t the type of folks that get actively involved in issues. I’m sure this is true with some people, but in my town, little old Helena, Montana, we recently had a great example of the fallacy of this argument.

The Helena City Commission wanted to build a road through the downtown walking mall, but numerous polls, surveys and petition drives showed the vast majority of the people of Helena opposed the plan. The city officials ignored this and kept supporting the road, which caused citizens to place an initiative on the 2005 city election ballot to, in essence, prevent the destruction of the walking mall. The results? A hair under 77 percent voted to save the walking mall, which means the “silent support” theory wasn’t really valid in this case—and probably isn’t in most cases. Anybody in politics knows how rare it is to get 77 percent majority voting the same way in any election, so obviously, the unscientific polls and surveys—not unlike the “public involvement” process—revealed the true sentiment of the populace.

One thing that bothers me is why the other side doesn’t do it? Why don’t people who want to kill wolves or ride snowmobiles or hunt grizzly bears or build more roads into the last wilderness mount form letter and e-mail campaigns to add some balance to the process? They have computers and blogs and websites and all the same tools, as well as more cash usually, as green groups, but they don’t stress about being proportionally represented in the results.

Here’s my answer to that one. They know that “public involvement” won’t change the plan. They spend their time and money on behind-the-scenes, non-public lobbying that keeps their plan on course. They know sending out an e-mail alert would be a waste of time, and they probably couldn’t match the passion and numbers generated by green groups.

Here’s another question. Why do green groups continue whipping up their members and supporters to send in comments that they know will be discarded and most likely not even read?

I have an answer for that one, too. They have to. If they have any chance of overturning a bad plan, they have to show support for doing it. They know lopsided results won’t mean anything to an agency director on a mission, but it sometimes gets the attention of the judge in litigation that commonly follows these follies.

In conclusion, this column is not about the merits of the wolf-killing plan. It’s about how politics jams things down the public’s throat with no remorse. Something needs to change because the “public involvement” system is broken. It would actually be refreshing to hear an agency rep be honest with us and say it’s about politics and as soon as token attention to legal requirements for “public involvement” are finished, the agency will go ahead with the plan. But I probably shouldn’t hold my breath until I hear a government official say this. It could be life threatening.



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Comments

Well, Wild Bill, what do we do?

1) Start a club?
2) Form a militia?
3) Revive the Ghost Dance?

You have been watching for thirty years, any ideas? You seem like a leader to me. So lead. I, for one, will follow.

tomi
And so when would be a good time to thin the wolves a little? When the prey species are gone or nearly so? Instead of criticism, how about some psotive suggestions for managing the wolves and keeping the elk alive.
Bet you don't know how many elk are left in the northern Yellowsotne herd do you?
Bill's comments here are right on target. I for one don't bother with public involvement anymore becaue it is a joke.

As to what needs to be done about elk in the Clearwater region of Idaho where IDFG wants to slaughter wolves, a little habitat work would work wonders. One thing about predator prey habitat ecology that few people want to think about, because thinking about it is hard and requires the thinker to shed prejudices, is that we have really good data from Alaska and Canada that doing wolf control to allow ungulate populations to increase doesn't accomplish a damn thing because the real problem is that habitat is in bad shape, so that any increased numbers of ungulates you get in the short term from predator control die of something else.

In other words, predator control is ecologically stupid and ignorant. And because it doesn't work, it's also economically stupid and ignorant. At some point, people will have to realize that, you'd think. But where wolves and predators are concerned, there's no thinking at all.
So, if the public comment was to take away the voting rights, or property rights, of some unpopular minority of people, and the government would not do that, would you complain that public input was worthless, or would you support standing up to the majority opinion?

How does Helena's "walking mall" compare to Bozeman's downtown with the federal highway through the middle of it? Which is healthier? Who gets higher rents? What property is more valuable? Who has the more successful stores?

I grew up in the South in the fifties and sixties. Public opinion there was wrong then, and I learned a valuable lesson that it is facts, not opinions, and rights, not rants, that require the attention of good government.
Robert,
I am assuming that you have been out to the area and know which parts need habitat improvement, and you do your part to work on it, right??????
You must really get around to be more familiar with the "habitat" in Alaska and Canada to the point you know what is better than the wildlife biologists do. Which parts of that would you improve and how would you do it?
I have noticed that habitat is a buzzword for environmentalists.
Marion

It appears you're one of the people I'm talking about. Yes I have been around, having done graduate work on wolf control in northern Canada, and yes I do know the habitat conditions in northern Canada and Alaska because unlike people like you, I went up to find out the facts for myself.

The wildlife biologists in the agencies ape the "predator control works" party line because they work for bureaucrats who work for politicians who listen to the ignorant and stupid.

Habitat has been the buzzword of wildlife management ever since wildlife management has been around. If you're interested, read Aldo Leopold's book Game Management, published in 1933, the first textbook of the field, and see what he says about the importance of habitat. If you're not interested, that's fine too.

Robert
In other words you are one of those who believe over half of the Yellowstone northern elk herd vanished because of the weather, not the wolves. This despite record high numbers of elk in non-wolf infested areas.
In January 2005 FWS released the information that the elk herd was climbing back up. January 2006, they released a "study" showing that the elk would have died anyway from the weather and hunters......no count this year for some reason. Just too busy coming up with a computer model I'll bet.
Jeff is on the right track by questioning Bill Schneider's disingenuousness on the nobility of the pack mentality that torpedoed well thought-out planning for traffic on what used to be Helena's main street. It remains a miserable, anemic shambles of storefronts housing mostly offices and a few businesses that have no business but exist because building owners offer cheap rents for merchants that offer cheap and unwanted merchandise. Schneider's claptrack convinced a small majority of Helena residents to believe their 30-year-old experiment with a "walking mall" is really holy ground. Here again Scheider has resurfaced to repaint lipstick on the corpse of downtown Helena's "walking mall."
Now Now Children, we musn't squabble. Jeff and Marion, you naughty kids!!! While you two tussle about on the living room rug, the Washington D.C. Wolves are gobbling up The West and populating it with Sheep of a more human variety.

I feel quite certain Mr. Wild Bill is giggling at you right now. You have, quite succinctly, proven his point yet again. Nice work.
Good rant. Having followed more EISs and EAs than I care to think about during the last 10 years, the whole public comment process takes on an absurd tinge. One recent example: A ski resort wanting to expand a snowcat skiing operation claims its customers have been asking for steeper, north-facing cat-served terrain. The Forest Service scopes the proposal. There's not one single public comment supporting the idea, yet the resort and Forest Service continue to pursue the project. So why comment? I think if nothing else the comments and media coverage thereof add some depth to the historic record, so that someone, in 50 years, writing a book about what happened to our public lands, will be able to show how our government ignored its citizens.
If they really want to know how the folks affected by something feel about it, have public meetings, then an election. actually let folks get off their cans and go vote.
For some reason environmental groups have decided the Rockies should be thier playground and the folks that live here should just be the servants.
Most of the comments are from form leters sent out by these groups in their begging letters, people just think gee that sounds like a great idea, and send it back not even really realizing what they are advocating. You'd be amazed how many folks, not right here at ground zero, do not realize that wolves were dumped here to entertain folks out burning up more fossil fuel to come watch them.
I think your comments about public involvement being a hurdle that agencies have to jump over is right on the mark. In good conscience, how could the IDFG proceed with this proposal in the face of such overwhelming opposition, unless they viewed the whole process as just a step that had to be undertaken. I also agree with your statement that this is totally politically driven- outfitters and guides claim that elk numbers are down, so IDFG commission tried to respond to one of their main constituencies through this proposal. Finally, habitat, habitat, habitat; removal of every wolf, cougar, black bear, coyote, eagle, and hunter could, at most, provide a few more elk in the short-term, but because the habitat has matured toward climax vegetation over the past 50-60 years the capacity of the landscape to support elk has declined from the heydays of the 1940s-1970s. jim
I am not a biologist, so these are curiousity questions outside of "public involvement:" Why would we "adjust" the numbers of wolves in the first place when everything was nicely balanced prior to their decimation? Aren't we simply trying to get the system back in balance? The ones who want to destroy wolves are elk hunters that just want more elk right? Is the FWS just catering to their needs then? As I understand it, the wolves keep the elk from browsing too much riparian undergrowth which is protecting our waterways and is even bringing back trees and songbirds that the area hasn't seen in decades. That seems better to me than boosting elk numbers at the expense of the system. Maybe we could open up a wolf season in conjunction with the elk season.
This is a prime example of money influencing public policy. Isn't it time for real campaign and lobbyist refom?
I would like to kick all of the lobbyists out and limit legislators to a maximum of 12 years. Good salary, NO benefits, including retirement.
Question for Jake:
How far back would you like to go to restore wildlife to their original numbers? Would you like them restored to the point they affected your home too? Virtually everywhere had predators once upon a time, so why be selective, you take a few in your yard too.
There were never any significant amount of wolves in Yellowstone. 136 were killed over a period of 42 years when they thought they needed to be controlled. That is it, only 56 of those were adults. They hauled nearly that many adults back in in 95 and 96. Waht we have done is bring in an entertainment troup for wolf worshipers, who are tearing up the Lamar in the process.
Thank you for all the interest and comments in this important Issue. I will be doing a follow-up column on ways to reform the "public Involvement" process. In the meantime, please note the recent posting--Ritualistic Killing, Not Science--on this subject by guest writer Ralph Maughan....Bill Schneider
the ironic thing is that at the same meeting the idaho fish and game commission voted not to impose more restrictions on ATV use for hunting in southern idaho citing a split in public comment... the public comment was roughly 5-4 in favor of ristriction.

how do you ignore the overwhelming public comment on one issue, then in the next breath point to public comment as the determining factor on another issue?

wwpblog.com
Very interesting comments about public involvment in US conservation issues. I can assure you the situation is no different here in Australia, as the politicians have lost control of the bureaucracy, and the public servants just do whatever they want to.
We are currently watching kangaroo numbers crashing, as the commercial kill escalates, and kangaroo meat is sent to Europe to make salamis and skins are sent to Germany to make football shoes.
No one in government is listening, and kangaroos are about to become Australia's answer to the passenger pigeon. It's politically induced extinction of an icon species. Say goodbye to Big Red!
Well, this problem is pretty much the opposite. The wolves were imported from Canada to kill wild game and get cattle and sheep ranchers out of the way of recreationalists.
Certain elk herds have been impacted very heavily, and have dropped to less than pre wolf numbers. As I understand it the Idaho G&F;is trying to stop the rapid decrease in elk in that area due to the predators being so think.
To Marion:
I'm not sure what you mean "wolves in my yard." We deal with an assortment of critters eating from our farm and I we have to work around that issue (without pesticides), and the few goats we have are kept safe from predators with two dogs, two burros, and granted, a fence. I think your comment about wolves being imported from Canada to kill wild game and get rid of sheep and cattle ranchers comes from anger, not fact. I'm glad someone out there sees the benefit of keystone species. My point is that we seem to gain so much more with a balanced ecosystem than without. Those wolves keep disease from spreading and restore water systems merely by their presence. I'm not against culling wolf populations necessarily but I don't think getting rid of the species in an area will help us one bit. I don't deal with wolves where I live and I don't make a profit off our family farm, but it seems as though we could come up with a system where we have the not-so-obvious benefit of a major predator "in my yard" while taking care of those ranchers affected by wolf predation better than we do now. Predicating this next comment with the fact that again, I haven't had to deal with wolves yet, my interest in maintaining a healthy ecosystem outweighs my personal fear that they are going to take all my goats.
Hi: My name is Adair. I am a widow who lives by herself in the Clearwater wolf area. I have a mating pair that hangs here and comes through once in awhile. I know this because I ran into them one day on my property. One of them stared me down for awhile. I have to admit it got my attention but I did not feel threatened. They also were sleeping in some of my hay. I have the wolf hair to prove it. Anyway, if a small woman like myself can live with the wolves, I do not understand why some of these "macho" hunters around here can't tolerate them at all. They say they are afraid of them.

I truly hope that Fish and Game come to their senses. I feel that Idaho should be proud to have a chance to bring back the wolf. I am from California, a state that really has vanishing animals.

I really enjoyed your article and totally agree with you but we should not be surprised as our government does what they want anyway.

God bless you and keep up the good work.

Adair
"I really enjoyed your article and totally agree with you but we should not be surprised as our government does what they want anyway.

Yep, you are right, they hauled the wolves in despite protests by the residents of the states. Now they cry about the cost. I would have be Adair was from California by her letter. Do you have any outdoor animals or are the wolves your only company?
Hi: This is in response to my response. I have four dogs and one horse. I am careful about my dogs and do not let them run free or stay out at night. Just wanted to write you back whoever wrote to me. I do not know how to respond on this.

Thanks

Adair
I think the G&F;probably are trying to prevent the dramatic drop seen in the Northern Yellowstone elk herd from happening to their elk herd. The Northern Yellowstone herd has dropped by more than 15,000 to a low of 3649 according to an article today at http://www.jacksonholenews.com
not so surprised. i live in prince rupert bc, home of the 'rain wolf', an incredible breed unlike any other. we moved here from the south, the canadian, u.s. border to venture this rugged land. most every island in the archepalego up here no matter how small has wolves on it. we have had many experiences with these intelligent and of course misunderstood (feared) animals. they are gentle and curious. they eat only what they need. we have seen them face to face on the islands. up here they eat fish and whatever critters they can find on the islands. we share our city with them. right now people want the 'coastal black-tail' and the wolves bow hunted in city limits. we live on an island for gods sake, kaien island, not very big, can you imagine? (woops...i..missed!) no we will not deal with the people who feed the cute little deer all over town, we will exterminate them, and the wolves that prey upon them. people are also in an uproar here about this. take yellowstone natnl. park for example..how long did it take to figure out why everything was dying before the wolves were re-introduced and nature came back? why do we feel we must control everything? how do you kill a few hundred wolves and not completely destroy their delicate and harmonious pack order? the stress it will create. obviously they know nothing about natures balance, and im sure nothing much about these highly senseitive and intelligent creatures. im sure they could learn something. id love to hear their logic and how they will go about the hunt. i can only imagine!

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