New West Feature
Grizzly Shooting Charges Elicit Outrage in Idaho
Politicians on every level express support for a man who killed a grizzly in his yard.By New West Editor, 8-26-11
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Criminal charges levied earlier this week on Jeremy Hill, who shot and killed a grizzly bear cub in his yard last May near Porthill, Idaho, just below the border with Canada, have sparked statements in his defense by Idaho’s local, state, and federal politicians.
Hill pleaded not guilty in federal court on Tuesday to the misdemeanor charge of killing an animal protected by the Endangered Species Act. A sow and two cubs wandered into his yard, and he said he was defending his six children.
Idaho Gov. Butch Otter released a letter on Thursday that he wrote in support of Hill’s action to U.S. Department of the Interior Secretary Ken Salazar. Noting that Hill thought his children were playing in the yard at the time, Otter requested that Salazar look into the matter and help in any way he can.
“One of the flaws of the ESA is the premium it places on protecting species at the expense of everything else,” Otter wrote.
“I’m at a loss to understand why the U.S. government is pursuing this in the manner they are,” Idaho state Sen. Shawn Keough (R-Sandpoint) told Spokane’s Spokesman-Review after Hill’s arraignment.
U.S. Sen. Mike Crapo of Idaho, who serves on the committee that oversees the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, which filed the charges, released a statement today. Calling for fair and swift treatment of Hill, he said, “I have deep concerns about this incident and the decision of the government to prosecute Mr. Hill, who did what any parent would do in this situation.”
Sen. Jim Risch of Idaho, who is a former prosecutor, told the Idaho Statesman, “What Mr. Hill did was not a criminal act in the court of common sense.”
Walt Kirby, a commissioner of northern Idaho’s Boundary County, told the Northwest News Network that the case was unnerving to people who live in bear country. “The government should just pick up their marbles and go home,” he said.
The Hills’ home sits between two federal grizzly bear recovery zones, the Selkirk to the west and Cabinet-Yaak to the east. About 100 grizzlies, a species listed as threatened, are believed to inhabit the zones.
After shooting the bear with a bolt-action rifle, Hill contacted the Idaho Department of Fish and Game. His misdemeanor charge carries a potential sentence of a year in prison and a $50,000 fine. A jury trial has been scheduled for Oct. 4.
Friends of Hill, 33, and his family packed the U.S. Courthouse in Coeur d’Alene at his arraignment on Tuesday. A 4-H animal sale was then held in the nearby community of Bonners Ferry, Idaho, at which almost $20,000 was raised for his legal defense.
“Most of the facts are being kept secret at this time by U.S. Fish and Wildlife officials, prosecutors, the public defender and the Hill family,” outdoor writer Rich Landers indicated in a Spokeman-Review column today. “The law says a wolf can be shot if it’s actively threatening pets or livestock, but no such caveat exists for shooting a grizzly.”
The reason for this, he elaborated, was that a female grizzly does not reach sexual maturity until age six or seven, produces just one or two young every three years, and usually does not survive in the wild beyond her early 20s.
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http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Websitearticles/JeremyHillgrizzlyincident.pdf
Joseph Cree Medicine killed a grizzly on Montana's Blackfeet Reservation in September of 2009 and failed to report it. He took the grizzly's front claws for trophies. The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service didn't hear about the incident until October, 2010, but eventually agents caught up with Cree Medicine. He claimed he shot the bear in self-defense at a distance of 20 yards. Agents asked Cree Medicine for the bear claws. He claimed he had lost 4 of them. On May 12, 2011 at a federal court in Great Falls, Joesph Cree Medicine, Jr. plead guilty to "failure to report the taking of a threatened species and illegal possession of parts of a threatened species."
Joseph Cree Medicine, Jr. got 3 years of probation and a $500 fine.
http://www.justice.gov/usao/mt/pressreleases/20110512134250.html
Why, oh why, are conservatives such lousy, rotten photographers?
I don't know that local politicians other than the county attorney had much to do with this....and it may all be FWS.
By the way it sounds like another guy in Yellowstone got attacked and killed by a griz, partially eaten. No spray, and that is where it migh have helped.
One: If Hill was 40 yards away from the bears, then there was more than enough space for him to shout first, shoot later. Knowing the typical reaction of bears, yelling would have worked exceptionally. I have done this within 30 feet without incident. He took aim at a bear who did not know he was in his eyesight, meaning the bear was "shot in the back" and given no chance. I have not heard that he yelled at the bear, the bear charged, which I doubt, and then he shot.
Two: There is very little information they are giving out on this story and a few discrepancies throughout articles; the kids were in front shooting hoops and were inside the house when he shot the bear, the kids were in the backyard when he saw the bears approach, the kids were shooting hoops, he didn't see them and they didn't answer when called (they were already in the house), etc ...
IF the kids were indeed between father and bears I STILL would not condone his using any type of firearm with these bears to save his kids. IF the kids were in trouble as he claims and he shot and missed that bear or grazed that bear he would have then had one angry bear to fend off SUPPOSED endangered children. The bear wasn't being threatening so he had ample time to draw a nice clean shot aim. Wouldn't have worked quite as nicely had the bear been charging.
Something isn't right about this scenario.
Problem is that people who live in bear habitat should have precautions in place that do not involve a paranoid trigger finger at every sight of wildlife. Raising pigs in Grizzly habitat? Without an electric fence? With children in the area?
I think he got scared, was too afraid to shoo them away and instantly used his gun. Realizing what he had done, and maybe trying to rescue his lack of "balls" came up with the 'kid story", because he was genuinely afraid for his kids and himself. Not saying he wasn't.
Anyway until they disclose all of the info, we will never know.
Regardless. I stick with bear spray, give a warning, if the bear charges, use the spray, the sound alone usually sends them paw over ears.
Now you've gone gone off-topic and claimed Jeremy Hill could have shouted at the bears, then shot them later with his rifle. One, shouting at bears is not the same thing as using bear spray. You haven't told us how hie could have safely frightend away all of the bears with bear spray.
Two, what if he shouted at the bears, the bruins looked around, saw his kids, and charged? Now Jeremy Hill has to shoot a charging grizzly, which you say "wouldn't have worked as well" as shooting at a stationary bear 40 yards away.
Three, you speculate that if Hill had a can of bear spray, he could have shouted at the grizzlies, then sprayed if they charged. But you also mention that he didn't know where his kids were. What if Hill shouted, the grizzly bears charged his kids, and the charging bears weren't within the limited range of Hill's bear spray?
Call 911 and shout for a doctor?
I know why they say it is safer than a gun. Bear spray is no sure thing.
Worse researchers are rolling in the money from grants the same way, single species focus. And of course unless they can think of a way that their species needs more research and protection the money will stop.
The species at the very bottom of the totem pole is humans. If they can think of no other excuse for creating potential harm to people "too many people" is their final excuse.
It is pretty easy to sit back and monday morning quarterback something like this, talk in a false factual manner and believe you have a freaking clue as to what you are talking about.
My opinion....you want your federal bear safe? Keep them off a man's private property. You want to use bear spray? That's your choice, use it. But it is pretty narcissistic to EXPECT or even FORCE someone else to that choice.
These stories are especially good at exposing the anti-human position of the nuts out there, read Jed and #1. And it is also good at exposing the unconstitutionality of the ESA which prevents a mans inalienable rights to protect his and his families life and to protect his private property.
The situation with his kids safety is actually irrelevant. The fact that the federal bears (another faux endangered species) were attempting to eat his private property, on his private property is enough to make this case an exposure of the need for the ESA to either be abolished, or at the very least, amended.
This case is really nothing but the feds pushing their weight around and attempting to make someone pay, one way or another. Here is a real use of EAJA funds, this man should be refunded any and all costs he acquired over the feds attempting to not only attack his constitutional rights, but make him a criminal. Then we will talk civil damages..........
http://www.billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/article_60b6b9d8-d251-11e0-b70e-001cc4c002e0.html
I have no idea what the governor and senator are thinking about when they are backing a person/event like this - do you hunt, hike, any outdoor adventures?
Sorry, but grizzlies have no need for protection in and around homes, especially those with kids. Grizzlies are a wilderness animal and if we have to eliminate hiking in wilderness areas to protect them so be it, but not in and around human homes.
You can't kill a grizzly to protect pigs and other property. You can kill a grizzly in self-defense. Hill wasn't defending himself. He's got to convince the jury he was defending his kids even though the bear(s) were not charging or attacking. Maybe Hill didn't know exactly where the kids were when he shot, he just knew the kids were outside and the bears were too close. Will that stand up in court? We shall see.
Perhaps you and your 'life partner' shouldn't be so judgmental of those you obviously have no understanding of. I have lived in Idaho most of my life, short an excursion for some over seas education, and I have yet to ever meet anyone with multiple wives or anyone with under aged wife. I don't even know any whom have married in their family as I am sure will be your next failed claim.
There are tyrannical laws, and the one Mr. Hill is facing charges on, is such a law. You lawyers who feel the law is above the judgement of the people are the misguided ones. He will walk away a free man, for he has done nothing wrong but instead utilized his inalienable rights that the government and the watermelon marxists seem to have an issue with. The man has a constitutional right to be tried by a jury of his peers, and those peers do not live in delusionalville California, New York or Chicago. They live in Idaho.
Grizzly's are not a scientifically endangered animal anymore than wolves are. Being shoved on a list that was created by a politician's legal description is not science. There are in the neighborhood of a 150,000 grizzly's roaming this planet, far from truly endangered.
Grizzly's and wolves are not about endangered bears and dogs. But money and control from people who have some serious issues to sort out.
Score; Bears two, hikers zero, 3rd quarter, two months to go.
To be fair, I think the guy just panicked. Reading the little info the media has put out on what he CLAIMS happened, it seems his lack of experience and education on living in bear country got the best of him.
One example was that the wife knew the kids were outside and started screaming. The kids were in the front of the house, the bears in the back quite a ways away.
The bears were focused on the pig house. Not on the kids.
The shot frightened the other two bears. That is typical. Instead of shooting the bear, and MISSING a mortal shot, having the dog chasing this bear, causing the bear to charge, which COULD have made the outcome worse, he should have gathered the children FIRST without causing attention, gone out the back and fired a shot in the air. The bears would have taken off. His children would have been safe from both the gun and the bears and the bear would still be alive. He would not have been in this mess.
Apparently there are pieces of the story missing so … until that is made public, which it may not be to the general public, then the way I see it at this point, it’s pretty cut and dry.
He panicked. He was careless with the wildlife in an area that is
right between two national forests.
It is important that people who live in these areas understand NOT to take bear education for granted. “Wait until something happens”, attitude.
There were things he could have done before hand to avoid this all together but people seem complacent and don’t think things will happen to them.
As much as I absolutely advocate bear spray, it really wasn’t needed in this case but EVERYONE who lives near bears needs to have it handy. The shot in the air would have done the job nicely and also a hell of a lot less expensive.
The bears will lose in this case either way. Whether he is convicted or free to walk without ramifications.
Article below;
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2011/aug/26/prosecutor-releases-details-north-idaho-grizzly-killing-case/?c=337301&comments=1#c337301
The family was there and their description of the scene has to stand unless you have proof as to something different. I suspect you have absolutely no idea what you are pontificating about and probably have never even been in the west, much less Idaho, much much less the yard where this happened.
" There should be a cell large enough for the bear-blaster and several of his representatives..?"
What are several of his representatives guilty of??? Believing he was justified in defending his property, and children ???
And if he is convicted, then round up several of his representatives that believe in those rights and jail them as well eh Hortz ???
By golly we believe the man defended his property and relates, but convict him, jail him, and toss the rest of us in jail also.
Jail-Concentration of political prisoners camped and under guard to keep Jed and Hortz happy.
Yeah, good luck Von Horst, maybe we'll see you in camp.
Our society should not be divided on this issue.
"The trial will take place in Idaho. The facts of the case, regardless of "what the situation actually was when Hill shot the bear," will have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on, absolutely nothing to do with, the legal outcome, which is a foregone conclusion merely on the basis of the case being heard in Idaho."
The only factually correct part of this idiotic screed is that if fact a trial will take place in Idaho. The rest, as usual from this pathetic creature, is 100% incorrect. This trial over this incident will be held in Federal Court and it will be not be held in front of a jury of the accused peers. Such cases are heard before an Administrative Law Judge and no jury shall be seated.
This sort of circumstance should please the Marxists out there such as this "real mike" creature, for what we have posing as a court in such circumstances is a Star Chamber instead of a constitutional court. Constitutionally, a trial in front of his peers allows the accused to essentially argue his case to his fellow citizens rather than attempt to justify his circumstance before an agent of the State.
I find it rather ironic that defamatory vitriol such as "Cases heard in Idaho courts might as well be heard in Australia given the numerous kangaroos, along with their multiple twelve-year-old wives, invariably packed into the courtroom" spews forth from the keyboard of this little mike fellow, given that a figure such as Rex Rammel was convicted of poaching in what "the real mike" infers was a kangaroo proceeding. Yes? Further, I must add that Rammel was convicted by a jury of his peers in Idaho rather than solely in front of an Administrative Law Judge.
Perhaps this pathetic little rodent who calls himself "the real mike" could enlighten us as to where we could find these kangaroos of which he speaks, let alone enlighten us as to exactly where and how many "multiple twelve year old wives" there are in Idaho. Having lived here for a long number of years, I have yet to see an example of either one to validate his spurious claims.
Mike, we're waiting.
150,000 grizzlies in the world versus almost 7 billion humans
You tell me who the real endangered species is when you look at those numbers.
Researchers would be out of a job if either wolves or griz are declared recovered. Both are undoubtedly undercounted. Congress had to step in to get common sense into the wolf situation and they will probably have to with the bears too. There are grizzlies showing up where they have not been seen in over a hundred years (not returned to California, home of environmentalists though). The American taxpayer is going to take it in the pocketbook big time when the lawsuits are settled for all four of the grizzly deaths in the GYE in the last year.
Large predators do not belong in people's yards.
Our feelings about the state of the earth, the endangered species act, property rights, bear spray and so forth have nothing to do with the issue: was this a legitimate case of killing a grizzly in self-defense.
At this point in time, declaring Jeremy Hill right/wrong or guilty/innocent is absurd because the facts about what happened are not known.
One can not determine the correct outcome without actually questioning the law under which Mr. Hill is being charged.
Consider, that in this country you have inalienable rights, those rights are ABOVE the government. They are not to be questioned or infringed upon by the government, or another human.
When government creates a law that violates a mans ability to exercise his inalienable rights without persecution or prosecution, he can not violate that law as it is an illegal law.
The ESA is an illegal law, on many issues. It attempts to infringe on our rights, not over science, but over a political listing of a species that deserves no place in special consideration. And that is just one of the many issues with it.
On those grounds alone, Mr. Hill is being unjustly prosecuted. So although you may want to keep this a nice tidy and simple question and outcome. It can not be as it's root is buried in tyranny. I know, that is an ugly word that many have a hard time digesting. But, you just look at some of the comments above, and it is easy to see that evil toward humans exist within our own species. We have learned nothing from history.
They have been indoctrinated to the beliefs of people such as Marcuse, Heidegger, Adorno, Marx, Alinsky et al and are not intelligent enough to understand their failings. These are the very same type who have turned the other cheek while tyrants of the past slaughtered millions of our own species. I would suspect many above would not only turn the other cheek, but would actually assist.
Letting Mr. Hill be ran through the ringer while we fail to examine the root cause is just allowing us to come one step closer to the next great human atrocity.
I am a Conservative. I am also one of 29 Master Aerial Photographers ever to walk the planet. It would be appropriate to retract your ridiculous statement.
I am also Defendant's Expert Witness and the forensic photographer in this case.
Defendant did not face a threat from a Grizzly Bear. He faced 3 threats from Grizzly Bears to 5 children of unknown locations (his children were dispersed on his property and he could not see/locate them).
Grizzly Bears have olfactory senses 7 times better than those of Bloodhounds. Their smell is so sensitive that they can smell across miles and across time. They can outrun a race horse at short distances.
Because those bears traversed the property to get to the pigpen it is reasonable to presume they knew of the children-they were just in the mood for bacon.
Advocating for the use of pepper spray in such an instance is simply ridiculous.
The ESA needs:
*Up front non refundable fee to contest a delisting.
*Up front non-refundable fee to list a new animal/bird/etc.
*Change wording so that an animal as destructive as the gray wolf is not treated the same as the Black footed ferret.
*A process that allows states to take over management of recovered species early in the process so state endangered programs can manage to the will of their people.
MAKE THE LAW ENVIRONMENTAL OBSTRUCTIONIST unfriendly - not there cash cow!
Try again hot shot..
Pump with slugs counts too.
Probably so. But the same people who complain about the problem are also the first demanding that food aid be sent to areas where people are experiencing "food security" issues, a circumstance that we used to call "hunger" or "starvation." It doesn't matter that "carrying capacity" has been exceeded in those areas, we send food anyway because it makes us feel good. Later, we'll go in and bomb the hell out of them because they are ungrateful or something. But it keeps our economy humming along because guns and butter are a good thing, or so I am told.
Good old Lenin once asked, "What is to be done?" Should we cull the herd? Would that not argue that we should examine which humans are overpopulating the planet and exactly where this is happening before taking direct action? Science is science after all, correct? And culling, well, that's a nasty business unless it's for "National Security reasons" and thus in our interest to do so. But general culling? Hmmm. Indeed. What is to be done?
Let's see here - back in the late 1990's the Sierra Club was in turmoil because some of its membership rightly ascertained that mass immigration into the U.S. was environmentally damaging. No one in their right mind can say that such is not the case. How did the Sierra Club end this terribly divisive internal dispute? They purged the anti-immigration elements from the leadership rolls, arguing that by taking an anti-immigration position many of their critical financial supporters in the Democratic Party and other environmental organizations, let alone other well-heeled progressive donors would be offended. In effect, they whored themselves out for the almighty dollar - period. Great outfit. "To hell with the environment, for our friends and their money is more important."
Si senor.
Let's study this further. Caucasian reproduction rates are well below replacement levels as it is, whether in Europe or in North America. New Zealand and Australia exhibit the same demographic trend, therefore the dreaded white man is literally breeding himself right towards extinction. Demographically, Caucasians are hardly overpopulating the planet, contributing a mere 15% of the total and that includes "Caucasians" in Russia and many of those populating the Middle East. So where do we look to find the overpopulation problem?
Egads! This is going to sound all racist, which is politically incorrect and everything, but facts are facts. Well, those former illegal immigrants that Teflon Ron gave amnesty to back in '86 and those who have followed, heading up to "The Republic Del Norte" (That's the U.S., for those of you mired in ignorance), have and are doing so because the areas from which they came are over-populated. It isn't that they are searching for freedom or some other arcane excuse peddled to us. The place they left is an over-populated sewer.
How did this happen? Since mere replacement rate is 2.1 children per female, they are exceeding that figure. These are Latinos and "Native Americans" doing this, you know, those poor huddled masses and all that garbage. "We're all immigrants", remember? So to say anything against t immigration makes us all hypocrites, just like those former Sierra Club members. Gotta control the dialogue, you know. Again, the same people who purged the Sierra Club of anti-immigrant sentiment are perfectly mirrored by so many who write on this site and complain about overpopulation but correspondingly won't demand an end to immigration because "It's racist." A.) Double-minded B.) Confused C.) Idiotic? D.) All of the above.
Pick one.
Overpopulation. How about those Africans? Well, yes. But again, that's racist. Those Muslims? Well, yes. But strangely picking on them, well, that's not really racist because Indonesian Muslims and those pesky Persians aren't Arabs and lately it's been pretty easy to say anything bad about Muslims in general because the collective "we" have been steeped in the cup of Islamophobia for so long that it's politically correct to say any and all that's bad about them, so yea, there an extra big problem because their Muslims first and foremost, and they reproduce at "unsustainable" high rates. "Bad people" I'm told, and I'll be told that with greater frequency as September comes along, yet our borders remain wide open. Is sub-continent India a bit of a billion body problem? Yes. They keep answering my calls for IT problems and that's a damn big problem. Our financial and Wal-Mart overlords, the Chinese? Duh. And we gave them 50 square miles or so south of Boise too.
Goodness gracious! If we hadn't allowed the flood of South-eastern Europeans and Russian immigrants in during the late 1800's and never let that horrible 1965 immigration law pass, given the traceable reproduction rates of those who were here in 1880 (not counting those of a particular subgroup, but that would be "racist"), the U.S. population right now would be between 170 million and 180 million, give or take a million here and there.
No problema.
Instead we've got that "Diversity is our strength" mantra instilled in our collective psyche along with the Federal Government making long-dead eugenicist Margaret Sanger spin in her grave by paying the least capable to reproduce at the highest rates at the expense of those who work for a living and reproduce the least. There's some intelligent "herd building" for you. "Let's go out and buy the worst damn cattle we can and let them reproduce like mad." And we wonder why our schools can't graduate students and the nation's collective I.Q. is in the toilet?
It's because the deal is set in politically correct stone. We're screwed, and we're screwed because the same people who unceasingly whine about overpopulation are also the most politically correct, and in truth, will never stand up and do a damn thing about it. Why? Because overpopulation is not being caused by Caucasians - it is being caused by the reproductive behaviors of other races and discussing the problem by citing demographic data is deemed racist and insensitive and I shouldn't have penned the truth because I'll be perceived as a racist even if the facts are just that - facts. That's why. Whiners "feel" instead of "think" and that's why we are doomed. What I cited are provable "Inconvenient Truths" instead of made-up political propaganda, and if you don't like it then that's too damn bad.
These people are not interested in fact unless it can be used by the collective crowd, and only THEY are allowed to step outside of their own created politically correct rule book.
Let me guess the reply they'll give, and if not give, are thinking......
Racist!
Whites DESERVE being the minority, perhaps then they'll get their payback for their actions!!!!1111!!
Sadly this is just another on a long list of hypocrisies the watermelon reGressives live in. They continually fail to see that one of their all important beliefs directly contradicts one of their other all important agendas.
You nailed it though, that is exactly why they 'feel' as opposed to think. Emotion allows for such easy dismissal of fact that do not fit you shallow thought process.
Example....note the brain surgeon above who bit the ocean water bait that was laid for them. As soon as I read that post, I knew one of the shallow thinkers would jump all over it. I was not let down.
I take it you shot those pictures? Well, my statement stands. I'm a pretty good shooter myself, and those pictures don't tell me doodly. You may be hot stuff at aerial shots, but on the ground, those pictures were lacking. I sure wish there was one with scaling and a site perspective in that series I looked at. And in fact an aerial shot would have been perfect here. There isn't. No tape lines, no indicators. How high is the pig shed, et cetera.
As for bear whiz, I said nothing about bear whiz. I have a can, but I've always got backup for those times bear whiz is called for.
That all said, I am hoping that Mr. Hill comes out of this okay. I am gratified to see the community support and am unhappy that this is going to trial at all.
It's ridiculous, like everyone in bear country should have the ESA-derived regulations taped to the stock of all their firearms?
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