By Daryl L. Hunter, New West Unfiltered 10-01-06
hold your fear in high regard and embrace the inevitability of it.
leave the environmental consequentialism to the experts, it suits them better.
don't pretend to care about the environment, the disengenuousness of the article is obvious.
public lands belong to us all. when your cows degrade the riperian areas so critical to natural habitat, deface God's creation, and require tax-payers to pony up susbsidies to keep you folk competitive, that's not a respectful stewardship of public land. if i borrowed your car, i wouldn't give it back to you full of cigarette burns, a gouge in the paint job and an empty tank. that's disrespectful. you're borrowing a common trust, and not leaving it the way that you found it.
if you didn't have disdain for WWP they wouldn't be doing their job.
goodluck otherwise though...
I will never understand the idea that playing by the well to do is more important than growing food for the masses. On top of that a very large number of wildlife grazes on private ranch land during winters, they will have no where to go when the ranches are gone, and many will starve, especially in bad winters. And all of this so some folks have mroe room to play?
Comment By mike, 10-02-06Well, I'm getting all turned around by this talk. In another posting, one of the pundits opined that "If the author wants to have control of the land....buy it, don't depend on laws to prevent someone else from using it. Now that is selfish." Now, does that mean that, if i want to have some control over my grazing allotment, then I have to buy it?
This same pundit said, "I have a problem with those who feel they have the right to dictate how another uses his own property, and then forces him to pay for the effects." Does that mean that, since my grazing allotment is public property, I don't have any right to dictate, even though the fine print of my permit agreement actually says that I have an obligation to do so, that the public has to walk or ride horses and can't run their jeeps and motorcycles through my forests, across my pastures, cutting ruts, tearing out the native grasses that I just got done replanting, ruining the drip tanks that I just put in for the wildlife, and chasing my cattle? Now, because I needed to rework some old fences to improve my pasture control and let some of those native grass replantings get a good start, I did get a grant from the NRCS. Does that mean that I am forcing the actual owners of the property, the public, to pay for the effects of my ranching and that I don't have a right to do that?
Then this pundit says, "if the cost is too high, then the project can't be that worthwhile," which seems to be exactly what the WWP and NPLGC keep saying about all public lands grazing.
Yet, I AM "growing food for the masses;" so, I'm getting confused and depresssed trying to figure out what I'm supposed to do with all of this wisdom that's being so freely handed out. I guess I need to fall back on what I know myself. As a diehard conservationist and a public lands rancher, I know that these issues of public lands grazing, endangered species, land conservation, and population growth are all tied in a thorny knot of intertwined goals, compromises, natural factors, socioeconomic factors, and counterintuitive effects, all surrounded by an incredible amount of talk coming from people who have more wind than intellect or knowledge. None of this "wisdom by strong assertion" is really helping the debate.
This Daryl Hunter makes some good points. There are a lot of ranches out there where the base property is only a tiny fraction of the size of the associated public lands and, in these cases, it can be debated whether keeping development off the base property is truly a good trade for possibly lifting the impacts on the public portion; however, if these buyouts were to be successful to the extreme, the final disappearance of the true American West truly would be hastened and even the most ranting of urban armchair environmentalists would eventually regret it. Well, maybe I'm wrong there because a lot of these urban "experts" hardly ever come out to see what is really out here and then often don't know what they are looking at. At the same time, Daryl and the rest of us need to take a good hard objective look at our practices and the practices of the most obnoxious of our neighbors and be realistic about "sticking together" with that jerk down the road that insists on being a loudmouthed poster child for bad stewardship.
On the other hand, Marvel and the boys can use their "edge of the spectrum" antics as a lever as they choose; but, they also need to realize that they better have their political ducks in a row if their utopian buyout scheme ever came close to succeeding. Based on the record of the past six years, they could get the ranchers off and then discover that the ranchers were what stood in the way, not of public land conservation, but public land sale.
Again, its a complicated knot of strategies and tactics, and issues and those of us with any sense at all need to be careful what we wish for...
In the first place I see trying to eliminate leasing grazing rights and trying to force anyone to use their private property for someone else's bright idea as pretty much equal. Either is taking away privileges that someone else has paid for.
Comment By Brodie Farquhar, 10-03-06Grazing in the West is almost as complicated and contentious as water use in the West.
University of Wyoming law professor Debra Donahue makes the case for shutting down grazing on public lands in her book, "The Western Range Revisited: Removing Livestock from Public Lands to Conserve Native Biodiversity."
She concluded that where mean annual precipitation is 12 inches or less, livestock should be removed from large tracts of federal lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management.
Pro-grazing advocates counter that holistic grazing can benefit grasslands, that grasslands were grazed by bison and that in lieu of ranchers, you've got condos instead.
There's a great deal of debate as to whether holistic grazing actually works, or how well it works.
The bison/cattle argument tends to fall apart when you realize that bison were migratory and didn't hang-out around water sources. Cattle don't behave like bison, and therefore, their environmental impact is hugely different -- generally worse.
As for cows vs. condos, there's quite a bit of truth here. When ranchers sell out, developers move in, as CSU's Rick Knight points out, to the detriment of open space and wildlife.
There are model ranching operations that efficiently convert grass into protein, without creating a cow-burned environment, but fostering a sensitive balance between wildlife and the enviroment, versus staying in business.
Aside from politics and culture, there are simple answers, but we don't live in a world where politics and culture can be ignored -- witness Sam Western's “Pushed Off the Mountain, Sold Down the River: Wyoming’s Search for Its Soul.”
Somehow Brodie, I can't get terribly excited about the idea that a law professer knows what is best for the land. I don't think a lot of city folks realize the education that today's ranchers have. They are the ones researching and working on the need for rotating pastures, etc on grazing allotments, as well as private pasture. They do far more to prevent weed infestations and invasions by those species than hikers or law professers.
Have you thought about doing an article on just what back country hikers and backpackers do to improve the areas they use for free? It might be a real eyeopener.
Deb Donahue worked for years as a rangeland grazing expert for the BLM--her experience and book are not based on ivory tower research, but boots on the ground experience.
Ranchers do have a wide range of education and experience, and the outcome (the health of their range land) reflects that. Ranchers are very sensitive to weed infestations and work hard to keep them under control, with varying success.
Back country hikers and backpackers do have impacts on wildlife, according to CSU's Knight -- wildlife experience stress even if they hear or see people. There are hiking clubs that contribute labor and money toward trail maintenance and improvement efforts. Increasingly, there is no such thing as "free" use of public lands, given the growing number of user fees.
Have you thought about doing an article and actually compare ranch grazing land to non motorized back country recreation use land? I think folks are upset when they step in a cow pie, and don't really pay attention to what is around them and the condition of the land. For instance this spring I had trouble counting sage grouse because the dead grass was so high that they were difficult to see. That isn't overgrazing.
I realize that user fees are increasing in some places, but they don't seem to be all that universal are they? There aren't often even trailhead parking permits are there? I don't object to hikers, I object to having so much land set aside for their exclusive use.
Another story I wish you or another outdoor writer would do is on the amount of wildlife that survives on ranches in the winter. Do we really want to end that to keep from stepping in a cow pie?
Marion,
I am a photographer turned writer; I have stepped in that cowpie in the wilderness and cussed the rancher. I live in a mountain valley where the ranches are rapidly disappearing; the west will not be the west without the ranches and the cowboy. The ranches were here long before me. I love untouched wilderness but I also love the western heritage.
My empathy lies with the historical western culture of my adopted home as long as that culture is a responsible steward of the land, I don't mind being more careful where I step.
Daryl L. Hunter
Daryl, my suggestions were directed to Brodie, I have read enough of your writing to realize that you understand our way of life out here is as much a part of the country as wilderness is. On the other hand I would be thrilled with anyone who would actually write articles and show photos of what is really happening, instead of relying on the bs coming from the left coast libs. I suspect many of them wouldn't know the difference between a cow and and elk grazing in a pasture.
Range Magazine does a good job of presentling the truth, but more needs to be done. I wish I were a good writer and could do some of it.
there seem to be appropriate areas to graze and innappropriate. Brodie points out that Debrah Donahue places that at 12 inches of annual precip. that seems to make sense in that cows impact is less inherent the more rain you get. arid places are far more sensitive to disturbance, it takes them more time to recover. we can all avoid the cow-pies, and i wouldn't mind doing that either. however, grazing on arid lands makes for damage that takes far too much time to heal when it comes to native species, which i and most americans value. those lands aren't property of the folk that live closest to them any more than they are property of everyone else. we are all accountable for their condition and atv recreationists or hikers tearing through is just as rediculuous but not as damaging. if a rancher can leave it the way that you found it that is one thing, but these are public lands, and if you can't (which is inherently the case in arid landscapes) then you should get your own land and play by the rules of the free market like everyone else. that's all the environmentalists do in court, if the land was remotely the same, or even remained healthy, after being grazed as before, there is no judge that could sanction a permittee. the buyouts are voluntary, don't sell-out if you're against them.
if we put the money that is currently used by public lands agencies to clean up and develope (roads etc.) for the ranchers into fee purchases of the land, we'd have a lot of protected land. otherwise developement in the areas is inevitable and we can blame the market and overpopulation, not environmentalists, for that.
Have you seen a study showing land is worse with grazing, side by side with ungrazed land? If you will read Range Magazine http://www.rangemagazine.com you can see studies with photos and statistics of just the opposite. You have no idea of the work to keep creeks open keep noxious weeds out, or any of the myriad other things that ranchers do that recreationalists do not do? By the way who pays for the developed trailheads? The users? ROTFL. Land is improved by grazing.
Can you name a single road developed for a rancher? I cannot. You guys are so concentrated on having it all for yourselves that you don't bother to look at facts. If the ranche's private land are sold to developers, who is going to feed the wildlife during the winter? The recreationalists? ROTFL!
To Marion,
When By-be, says: "we can blame the market and overpopulation, not environmentalists, for that." It is clear that when the environmentalists put western ranchers out of business that they will will not shoulder the responsibility for the aftermath of the dynamic that they were responsible for putting into play.
Daryl,
Enviros do not take any responsibility whatsoever for the damage they do. They know what they want and someone better make it happen for them. They do not care about the ecosystem, only their own egosystem.
Look at the wolf situation, "the elk are hiding, the drought killed them, the winter killed them, the bears are killing them", "the ranchers need to watch their sheep and cattle better", on and on. and on. But they take no responsiblity whatsoever. I've even seen some insist the wolves that killed the guy in Canada didn't really happen, "wolves don't do that", or else it was his fault, not the wolves.
Don't know when you arrived in what I assume is Star Valley, WY, Daryl. However, my viewpoint is that Star Valley was screwed up by people selling land as long as 20 years ago. I started visiting it I suppose 40 years ago.
The decimation of its open space had nothing to with ranching or not ranching. People sold off parcels one or or two at a time along all the county roads. Before long, most of the private land was blocked from view by houses, and at an amazingly low population density.
Who was to blame? No one, I guess. Just amazing lack of foresight and no land use ordinances.
The first internal sub-division seemed to be Star Valley Ranches. It was notable how it was not located in nearby Etna, which stagnated.
When Daryl says:
"It is clear that when the environmentalists put western ranchers out of business that they will will not shoulder the responsibility for the aftermath of the dynamic that they were responsible for putting into play."
It is clear that when negligent ranchers (not all are) degrade the land to the point that scientists, judges, and the rule of law demand that the grazing operation be shut down that they will not shoulder the responsibility for the aftermath of the dynamic that they were responsible for putting into play.
Ralph, I have seen and admired your photography on the web and am jealous of the time you must have available to travel and I assume because of the volume of wilderness photography you do you get down here often. I have been in the southern Yellowstone region for 20 years and have seen astounding growth throughout the region, and it's not only here.
First, it was ski resorts that drew the growth, then fly-fishing rivers and now it is any pretty place. City people can now make money in the country; some can afford Jackson and some only Soda Springs. The fact is, if a ranch anywhere in the Rockies gets subdivided there are no shortage of buyers, and it is changing the nature of the mountains. Surfing on Ebay’s real estate offerings you never know where you might end up with the mountain valley nirvana of your dreams.
The beautiful Birch Creek Valley north of Mud Lake is wall-to-wall cattle ranches; if they lost their grazing allotments soon the valley would start to resemble Lemhi Valley just over the divide. The Birch Creek Valley hypothesis is just food for thought for what could happen to valleys throughout the west. Hailey, Hamilton, Driggs and Bozeman could become the Rocky Mountain Valley norm instead of the exception.
The anti-grazing folks have nature at heart and that is noble however, it is my belief that the law of unintended consequences will deliver undesirable results for the well meaning environmentalists whose bias cripples them with tunnel vision.
By-be - negligent ranchers that that abuse the public trust should be put off the land to be replaced with a rancher that has respect for the land.
One wants to be careful that a rancher is actually abusing the land....especially if it is his own land, before getting too carried away.
A family in Arizona got a very nice settlement from the Center for Biodiversity for their public reviling of the ranch practices. the truth was they had a classically excellent ranching practice, and were able to prove it.
Daryl,
Thanks for your comments.
Yes I fear for these valleys too, but I don't think anything can be done unless there is a sea change in the way Westerners think about private property. Even that might not be enough with guys like Howie Rich from New York sponsoring initiatives to require a regulatory taking whenover people pass a an ordinance regarding land use.
I don't expect ranchers will, or that we should expect them to continue ranching when their land is worth 50,000 dollars an acre in an alternative use. Now if its a ranch on the Snake River Plain (not scenic), it will remain in agricultural use.
One alternative is the purchase of private land by the government. That's not popular in the current political regime, but it was 30-40 years ago, and I don't know why it couldn't be again when this era of big brother conservatism comes crashing down.
There have been policies in other countries that got all of the land into government ownership, and out of private hands, they have failed as communism always has and always will, because government just doesn't care as much as an owner does. The government will always be dominated by prevailing winds in order to keep those in power there.
It is hard for me to understand the desire to get control of other folks land away from them. Is it jealousy that supposed hicks have so much more land than the "right" folks do?
Certainly the government has no business spending 50 grand per acre to take land from ranchers, so some other people with lots of free time have a place to play. If the rancher is forced to sell, then it should go to the highest bidder, and we all lose. We really need to support the rancher, and keep him there.