By Contributing Writer, New West Unfiltered 12-10-06
Owyhee and CIEDRA dead? Good riddance to bad rubbish... and this is an enviro talking here. Idaho enviros - please take a step back and reflect on what "wilderness" means. It doesn't mean selling the land down the river, literally or figuratively. Wilderness bills shouldn't reward irresponsible off-road vehicle use, either. Lastly, please let the improved national political climate post-Jan 1st allow you to regain some backbone and dream big. Folks want real, unencumbered wilderness, not a box of chocolates for motorheads, developers and counties. These lands belong to all Americans, and ther vast majority of us want real protection for as much wilderness as is left.
Comment By Tim D. Peterson, 12-11-06He's No Pombo..
this from Nick Rahall, incoming house resources chair, on CIEDRA:
"I believe we should not seek the lowest common denominator when it comes to wilderness and saddle a wilderness designation with exceptions, exclusions and exemptions...in my view the focus of this bill is placed on development, with public land giveaway, monetary favors and special provisions for a select few." Rep. Nick Rahall, (D-W.VA)
Tim, I'm with you. CIEDRA was an insideous demostration if the old adage that when you bed down with dogs, you wake with fleas. For over a year we heard the cry that so-called wilderness advocates had no choice but to take the crumbs offered by the Mike and Mike show, because "the reality" of the political climate dictated they do so. Hogwash! Had these same groups mustered some courage like the rest of us with convictions, they might have worked to elect Democrats, thus changing the "reality of the political climate." Well, now that they've gone R, they can hang with the losers, or start acting like conservation groups again. Perhaps wisest now would be to send their PEW money back. Clearly, in this case, all that cash didn't do them much good. Oh well, welcome to the new political climate.
Comment By ira, 12-11-06The above comments are the moral equivelant of tough talk in the parking lot by the 3rd stringers who never get in the game.
I hope the proposals come back and get a little scrutiny from Mr. Rahall, Miller and the other Dems. They'll make some adjustments, and then we'll see what the Idaho Congressional Delegation will swallow.
I didn't write about my own sense of the two particular bills, as Larry Craig's political manuever was the newsworthy item at the moment. The bills should be debated on their merits, not killed by an illegitimate excuse such as Craig has manufactured.
I know a bit about how the Owyhee Initiative came about, and dismissing it as "bad rubbish" doesn't add anything to the debate, I'm afraid. Nor does it get us closer to more Wilderness. A slim Democratic majority is not going to scrub the work that's been and start over.
I'm not as sanguine about CIEDRA; still applauding Craig's cheap trick and slap in the face to his colleague doesn't get us closer to protecting the Boulder-White Clouds, either.
What makes Craig's questioning of funding illegitimate? I truly want to understand that. And while you don't do so here, others have called Craig's objections "last minute" or "eleventh hour." As I'm sure everyone commenting here did, I watched the hearing Craig held for the bills in September. He made it clear then that he didn't like the lack of funding. He gave Simpson-Johnson plenty of time to work that through; they ignored him. And as for slaps in the face, why didn't Simpson-Johnson lobby the full delegation earlier? Are both so arrogant as to believe that Idahoans would want a bill that gives away their land without the full support of the delegation?
But we can debate the details of bills' failure to pass all we like. What's the point. Now that we're free of these bills and have two lame duck federal reps, perhaps conservationists might get back to working for wilderness. How about it?
That's nice, ira, belittle your critics, do a little name calling, then betray your ignorance by making false assumptions - all while not providing your full name. No wonder we enviros get such a bad rap.
FYI - I'm in the game, and I'll stay there 'till the last inning.
Tom - "bad rubbish" was too far, perhaps. But ira and the rest of you "go along to get along"ers - your Quid Pro Quo approach is flat wrong for wilderness, and it's gotta stop.
One thing that has seems to have been excused as "Larry Craig's political manuever" or "Craig's cheap trick and slap in the face to his colleague" is that the concept of Trigger Language is not a new one. Trigger Language was discussed with Congressman Simpson in 2001 when he first met with the recreation community, and is in the public record from a Custer County Commission meeting in 2003. For Simpson (and the Idaho Statesman) to act like the notion of including trigger language - a guarantee to fullfill the entire bill - is suddenly a backhanded political manuever is ignorant and disingenuous.
RIP CIEDRA
Craig did nothing to help the process for the long years it was underway. I didn't see or read the details of his September hearing, but what's said here merely tells me that he laid the groundwork for the coup de grace at the end of the 109th Congress.
Regardless of how new the idea of trigger language is or isn't, the idea of putting a hold on a bill involving funding of a couple 10s of millions of dollars out of principle, or concern for the budgetary effects is absolutely ludicrous in the context of the 109th (and 108th and 107th) Congress.
Craig wanted to kill the bills and he did it. For those who wanted the bills killed, that's apparently a fine thing. I've said what I think about it, and I expect more illegitimate tactics from Craig, clothed in brow-furrowing, oleagenous arguments that slide down easy on C-Span.
Having worked to educate legislators, journalists, conservationists and Idahoans for at least two years about the problems with CIEDRA, I have been frustrated by the failure of journalists to follow the story before writing about it. Your article is a great case in point, Tom. When asked, you'll find that few have even taken a few hours to read the bill. Have you?
I don't fault you for not being as educated as you should be about a bill of such ramifications. I get that you're a "citizen journalist," thus ought not, perhaps, be expected to be fully informed about every topic on which you write. The editors here, however, should be more careful to check who is doing the writing for them and whether they're accurate.
First, I think that had you watched the hearings or at least read the transcripts (you can find them online pretty easily), you'd realizes that Craig didn't kill the bill. Second, if you read yesterday's Idaho Statesman (also online), you'd know that Craig didn't kill the bill. Third, if you had followed the CIEDRA story, you'd know that one Senator couldn't kill this or any bill, really. Fourth, were you more astute about CIEDRA's past, you'd know that a very strong and successful effort was launched against the bill. The effort to take CIEDRA down was a grassroots one organized by Idahoans who felt that they weren't being represented in the compromised CIEDRA process. The bill was not going to get the votes it needed; I can guarantee you that it had no chance in the Senate. We had done too much work.
The good thing, as I said yesterday, is that for those interested in expanding Idaho's wilderness acreage, the door is now open to do so rather than slammed shut. Had CIEDRA passed, think how long it would be before we would have had a shot to create a wilderness bill. Realize too that we've lost no acreage in terms of how acres are treated as wilderness. Again, to cite Mike Simpson, CIEDRA actually reduced the number of acres in Idaho cared for as wilderness. You probably don't know he said that, though, because neither ICL nor TWS mentioned it. Rocky Barker and Dan Popkey also kept that to themselves.
I am glad to see the interest in wilderness creation, despite that some feel they've lost. They didn't, and their efforts to pass wilderness now that we can get back to that will be welcomed.
With the current political climate, these realities we must face. If a bill goes to the new Congress giving away land, it aint gonna pass. Celebrate that, won't you?
Sorry I lost track of this thread and hadn't responded. Perhaps it's too late with a week gone by. But a few things to consider:
1) Give us the benefit of your experience and specific knowledge, Mary, and submit an article of your own.
2) My commentary--not an article--was posted on my blog, and a NW editor asked if it could be reposted here. I was glad to agree. I don't use the term "citizen journalist" to describe myself.
3) Your criticisms about CIEDRA are well taken. I opposed the bill myself. My commentary was not about CIEDRA, but rather Larry Craig's actions in its regard. You make strong claims about what Craig did, didn't, can and can't do. I concede you have more information than I do in this case, but I doubt you're correct that "one Senator couldn't kill this or any bill." If one of Idaho's senators actively opposes an Idaho Wilderness bill, I would argue that its chance of passage is nil. I would be happy to be proven wrong on a good Wilderness bill.
I also don't expect what a Senator does or doesn't do in a hearing to reflect what s/he does or doesn't do in toto. Hearings are political theater; they don't determine the fate of legislation.
4) It remains to be seen whether any party or group can fashion a bill that all sides will consider "good" (or even "good enough") to give Wilderness protection to any more of Idaho's wilderness. There is deeply committed body of environmental activists who I suspect will never be satisfied with a bill that could pass.
The pressure of increasing population and development is not going to abate, so the de facto protection of doing nothing is not permanent. So yes, I'll celebrate the delay (at least) of CIEDRA, even as I lament the delay (at least) of Owyhee Wilderness protection.