By Jonathan Weber, 6-16-05
| Caption: Fencing on the Seyler Lane bridge. | |
Jonathan, a terrific piece that clarifies the stances on both sides of this controversial issue. As more and more of the West gets cut up into ranchettes the public-access laws are going to receive more and more scrutiny. Here in Colorado a string of recent court victories indicates that the public-access advocates are winning when it comes to floating rights. Let's hope the courts continue to strike a balance when it comes to deciding who gets to recreate where.
Comment By Greg Cohn, 6-17-05Agreed. A few years back, William Greider wrote a fascinating and very alarming piece for the Nation on the huge iceberg beneath the waterline that the principle of "takings" represents -- as well as conservative strategies to use it to advance their agendas.
Comment By Jackie Corr, Butte, Montana, 6-18-05Of course the situation on the lower Ruby is certainly more of the worldwide and relentless privatization of traditional public space and resources by big money and corrupt corporations.
Populism was always opposed to this before it fell out of favor in Montana.
In many ways that populism was replaced by the sacred truths of Montana's growing Jesus, Guns and Chainsaw belt and the legal strategies of the Mountain States Legal Foundation.
And the Ruby is real big money. There is nowhere else in Montana where this kind of money is concentrated.
Compared with the very secretive Cox Kennedy operations, Ted Turner, Schwab, Denny Washington are small change.
Why? - its not the fishing. It is the hunting, a large private game farm of connected private estates.
And then there is the decor. Not Western but rustic, in some cases like Kennedy's Trailsend Ranch between Sheridan and Twin Bridges, chemically treated wood to give the appearance of aged. Dreary earth-tones and subdued rustic structures and barbed and electric wire are some of the highlights of Brave New Montana.
But the big mover and shaker in the Ruby, is a Denver lad named Reid Rosenthal. (HIGH COUNTRY NEWS,Monday, May 30, 2005)
On one of Rosenthal's websites - Vigilante Land Southwest Montana homes, ranch properties, and land for sale - you can find this statement. Manifest destiny for billionaires is how I would put it.
Anyway what Reid says is this: http://www.vigilanteland.com/
"There are those who believe this area of Montana has a manifest destiny to become a 'destination resort area', unlike and unequal to that found anywhere else in the world, and without the gaudy commercial trappings and subdivisions formed in areas like Jackson Hole."
And the Rosenthal tactic in the privatization of the Ruby are the easement tax breaks that he emphasizes which make it easier for cash heavy out of staters to buy and hold land near rivers and then keeping the public out, stream access law or not. Which is what is happening right now in the lower Ruby.
Country Roads LLC of Sheridan, Montana is another Rosenthal operation. On this website there is an invaluable map pointing out the managed access and private Ruby waters that Rosenthal claims.
http://www.countryroadsinc.com/fishing/rubyrivermap.htm
I strongly recommend viewing this map.
From there you can see that Kennedy's holdings are just a small part of the privatization of the Ruby.
As for the law:
In 1984, the Montana Supreme Court held that any river or stream that has the capability to be used for recreation,
such as fishing and floating, can be used by the public regardless of whether or not the river is navigable and
who the owner of the streambed property is.
In 1985 the Montana legislature determined that a river is anything between a river's ordinary high water marks.
This has been upheld by the United States Supreme Court in a Ruby River challenge by Denver's right-wing Mountain States Legal Foundation on May 29, 2003.
Jackie Corr, Butte
I tend to agree with your conclusion, even though I am a not so wealthy (by Cox standards) owner of a small piece of land on a lovely river in MT. We have never encumbered access to the river through our property, and if litter was the only problem that would be great. But how about tramping across the private land to get back to your car and leaving gates open, allowing animals to escape. Or building a fire and not putting it out properly. These things have happened to us--and there is little practical recourse, when your not there to witness it in real time. Also, it is not a high priority of law enforcement.
It is not a simple question. My great fear is that one of these traspassers ends up burning down our house accidentally, or trips and gets hurt on our property and ends up suing us.
Thanks for the comments. Jackie, I wasn't aware of a game farm plan, that is indeed a whole 'nother can of worms. That piece you cited from Ray Ring at High Country is indeed a great story on the easement issues, Rosenthal had some issues and they are doing a bit of a skinback but the main points stand, I recommend it.
Paul, thanks for the perspective. You have thoughts on how to remedy that kind of problem? That would obviously be extremely frustrating, the flip side of access has to be responsibility and basic common courtesy at the very least. Hopefully Montana courts would take a dim view of liability lawsuits in this kind of situation, anyone know if there are precedents?
Ahhhhh...Ms Corr. There is something to be said for consistency, even, I suppose, if such consistency consists merely of a continuous stream of incorrect and misinformation. And in that regard you are most consistent.
Since this bridge thing is not, and has never been our fight, I will make this short and sweet.
As you are well aware, our outfits have not been involved with a piece of Ruby with a bridge on it for years, and we manage a grand total of one mile of the fifty miles of river below the dam.
And, nope, I am not from Denver. My ranch was quite a ways north of that, like counties away.
And nope, I am not an owner of, or in (and never have been) Vigilante Land Inc. And, nope, did not write their website, nor is their site "my very own."
And yep, we are in business to perpetually preserve the great land, water and agricultural resources of this place, and make a profit.
Ted will most distressed to hear his wealth does not hold a candle to Jim's. But thank you for putting my name on the same page with them. I consider that quite an honor.
The Game Preserve? Now you have intrigued me. Please send me, or post here, all the information on the Game Preserve. Could you also provide a link to any sentence, paragraph or page of our Ranches of the West or Country Roads websites that reccomends keeping public out of the Ruby? And while you are at it, how about a link for all of us inquisitive types to that 2003 UNITED STATES Supreme Court decision on the Ruby you mention? Thanks!
Mr Weber. To the devil his due. Good article!
Reid Rosenthal
Mr. Rosenthal, thanks for the compliment here and on the other piece, I appreciate it! And again I very much appreciate & respect your willingness to engage these issues publicy.
Comment By Tom Davis, 12-30-05I lived in Dillon in '63 and fished the Rubye River a lot. It's my favorite river - period.
I think you badly underestimated the "high water mark".
But - the article is good, and makes the right conclusion.