By Richard Martin, 12-07-07
| "I'm trying to change the world, and we're going to start here in Montana. I don’t know anybody who was trying to do that who had as their first concern what the polls said." -- Gov. Brian Schweitzer | |
| "It's a misstatement of fact to say there's no such thing as clean coal. It may be black in color now, but 300 million years ago it was green." -- Colstrip Mayor John Williams | |
Richard,
This is a pretty good analysis of the energy issue and, of course, its politics.
I thought Governor Schweitzer was blowing smoke from the get go on the Bull Mountain project, not just with his wild claim about 180 billion barrels. That was a wrong assumption, as not every unit of the resource is foreseeably developable.
Further, future potential needs to be viewed especially in the context of how energy "incentives" are being hashed around at the federal level. With such instability now, with the current bill a basket case and tied up in the Senate, nobody is going to throw billions around.
You want to see action, the politicians probably should not talk.
Sad to see so much of Governor Schweitzer's passion being spent on clean coal and coal-to-liquids technologies, when Montana could be a world leader in wind energy, biodiesel production, revitalized Amtrak and mass transit programs, and community-based conservation programs.
Investing Schweitzer's considerable popularity and the state government resources in renewable energy and energy conservation would result in more job creation and community benefits than clean coal plants will ever do.
Creative legislation and visionary programs around renewable energy and energy efficiency in states like Minnesota, Vermont, and Oregon are proving the value of basing state economies on renewable resources. Montana is a leader in wind resources has excellent potential for biodiesel production, and isn't too shabby in solar radiation either. Yes, we do have "hundreds of years" of coal energy in the ground, but we also have millions of years of solar, wind, geothermal, and bioenergy potential. So leave the damned fossil fuel in the ground where it's been for millenia, and get busy using the fuels that regenerate daily on Montana's prairies.
Instead of continuing to spend millions of dollars on Montana tax breaks and other incentives for clean coal, invest just a quarter of that money on renewable and energy efficiency investments and job creation. The results would be astounding, and much more tangible to the average Montanan.
Richard,
This is top notch reporting and writing. The information here is much needed, and much appreciated.
Hal
Jon, no matter what kind of energy plan someone comes up with be it wind, ethanol, biodiesel, or whatever, something about it offends some green groups who immediately start poking sticks in the wheels of progressive ideas.
Comment By Craig Moore, 12-08-07I wonder why both hydro and nuclear are left off the list of 'renewables' when the discussion turns to alternatives.
I recently read an interesting discussion of coal vs. nuclear. See: http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2007/12/nuclear_qa
Whenever I drive by Browning MT and see the decay and poverty I wonder what can be done. They have a few windmills but they don't seem to make a dent in the needs. I got to wondering what would happen if Indian reservations, such as the Blackfeet, became receptive to nuclear plants for power generation. Browning even has its own community college where training and education would be available to train the workforce. The tribe may even be able to attach a tax to sell the power into the grid system. If they can't then change the laws to allow it. Seems like a win (power needs)-win (community development) -win (environment) solution.
But wouldn't it be a shame to leave all of that coal unburned just to preserve a little clean air?--and to keep the earth a functioning planet for a little bit longer..?
Comment By Marion, 12-08-07Yes it would Jedediah, if it meant folks froze to death in a cold winteer, or died of heat stroke for lack of electric to cool in the summer. Do you heat or cool your home?
Comment By Craig Moore, 12-08-07Jedadiah, think of all the opportunities for nudists to take the raw coal, put it between their cheeks, and make a diamond in the buff.
Comment By Dave Skinner, 12-08-07And speaking of nukes, I heard something interesting the other day as it relates to Yucca Mountain:
There's a good chance that technology will develop in the next 50 years to make reprocessing of current spent fuel economic. If that's the case, I wouldn't want to sequester fuel that has 80 percent plus of its potential remaining.
It is obvious--from the couple of responses--that I have stumbled into a nest of real intellectuals...
Comment By jon cheever, 12-09-07Fortunately Montanans had the foresight 30 years ago to pass Initiative 80, which banned nuclear power plants unless there was a majority of the Montana citizenry who voted for nukes. Which will never happen.
It's too bad Idaho and other surrounding states didn't pass a similar initiative--they would have avoided the enormous financial losses from the WPPSS nuke plants in Washington, as well as the wasted intellectual energy and dollars that will be spent to fight the new proposed nuke plant near Boise.
The reasons for banning nuclear power in 1978 in Montana are as true today as they were 30 years ago. Here's the actual language from the passed initiative laying out the rationale for banning nuclear power plants in Montana:
(1) The people of Montana find that substantial public concern exists regarding nuclear reactors and other major nuclear facilities, including the following unresolved issues:
(a) the generation of waste from nuclear facilities, which remains a severe radiological hazard for many thousands of years and to which no means of containment assuring the protection of future generations exists;
(b) the spending of scarce capital to pay the rapidly increasing costs of nuclear facilities, preventing the use of that capital to finance renewable energy sources which hold more promise for supplying useful energy, providing jobs, and holding down energy costs;
(c) the liability of nuclear facilities to sudden catastrophic accidents which can affect large areas of the state, thousands of people, and countless future generations;
(d) the refusal of utilities, industry, and government to assume normal financial responsibility for compensating victims of such nuclear accidents;
(e) the impact of nuclear facilities on the proliferation of nuclear bombs and terrorism;
(f) the increasing pattern of abandonment of used nuclear facilities by their owners, resulting in radiological dangers to present and future societies as well as higher public costs for perpetual management; and
(g) the detrimental effect of the large uranium import program necessary to the expansion of nuclear power on American energy independence, defense policy, and economic well being.
(2) Therefore, the people of Montana reserve to themselves the exclusive right to determine whether major nuclear facilities are built and operated in this state.
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This still serves as a well written intiative that's stood the test of time for three decades--So let's quit wasting time discussing nuclear power, and get on with developing more wind, solar, and energy efficiency in our great state.
Jon, that's the tired and worn Caldicott rant that does not stand up to scrutiny. France generates 80% of their power needs from nuclear, and successfully without killing people, arming terrorists, and destroying the environment.
Comment By Marion, 12-09-07Jon, I believe your environmental buddies just put a stop to a wind farm in Montana because it might hamper their view, also another was scotched in Massachusetts. So knock that one off, it can be seen. At this point solar is financially out of the reach of average people, so eliminate that one, now as to efficiency just how do you propose to do that? Stay home, shut down your lights and computer, turn down your heat....or is it up to someone else to do it?
Just once I'd like to see environmentalists come up with something positive to benefit man that they will allow.
Marion,
Don't you know that humans are a cancer? Don't you realize that the best thing for Mother Earth is for every poxy human to walk to the Divide Basin, strip naked and die quietly? The drainage would catch most of the toxins from decomposition.
Then, wolves, grizzlies and other charismatic carnivores, charged with biomass, would spread quickly to the rest of the continent and create the trophic cascade wild nature needs to reign again and forever?
Perhaps some humans, those who have not defiled their bodies with MSG and whatnot, who are organic, could be permitted to terminate themselves along stream courses thereby replenishing the nutrient base for anadromous and resident freshwater fisheries so that the salmon would be there when the land carnivores return to their rightful place in the world.
Oh, if only some people would set the example. Perhaps it is time for true environmentalists to take that literal first step, to lead with an example that is sure to inspire the correct actions from a previously benighted and selfish genus. I mean, I know I would find such an example uplifting and inspiring.
Keep taking those clever shots, folks.
All problems can no doubt be attributed to anyone who gives a damn for anything more than the five P. M. profit and loss statement.
Let me hear from you when you can't--finally--drink water, breathe air, or plant seeds. By that time there won't be other pesky species for you smug self-statisfied humans to make little jokes about...
It is all about material balances--as any engineer knows. Energy in, energy out, and net energy gained. In other words, it takes energy to make energy. All burned fuels produce CO2 and water vapor in their most efficient combustion. CO2 output during any production process can indicate efficiency of that process. The more CO2 produced -- the more energy goes into the process--and looking at CO2 in this manner goes beyond the polarizing rhetoric of green house warming--it is a direct indicator of how efficient a given process is... less CO2 produced for a usable fuel compared to another --means higher efficiency. Life Cycle Analysis provides some basis to estimate and compare the total CO2 output of any product, life to death; and more specifically the LCA is the material balance; what goes in, what come out. LCA can drive good decision making based on how well the LCA model encompasses all factors associated with the production of anything. Greater efficiency benefits the environment with less pollution. Great efficiency benefits industry because less energy used means lower usage costs for that energy.
With all that said, I wonder what is going to happen when we slowly come to the realization (outside of the refiners and large corporate influences!) that pumped crude oil (not shale or tar sands which require huge energy expenditures to produce "crude") may be the most efficient and easily usable energy source--and will continue to be *as long at it lasts*? Will we work to make it more efficient? Or will we deny it as a corporate conspiracy? We need to find some common ground on these issues.
All I want to know is--in the simplest analysis of alternate fuels or energy sources: "Where does it come from? How is it made? Does it provide more net energy than other alternatives?"
Coal gasification, like hydrogen and ethanol, and some other biofuels, all represent *potentially* and significantly greater CO2 production as indicated during an Life Cycle Analysis, and thus less efficiency, more pollution, and higher energy consumption. If these alternatives can be shown to have more favorable LCA over time, (rather than the knee jerk "we must have them without question" analysis we seem to get from laymen.... ) then let's see where we can go.
See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/12/11/eaiea111.xml
The head of the International Energy Agancy says that the world needs to bring on line 30 nuke plants and the equivalent of 2 Three Gorges Dam every year to arrest the rise in CO2. Brings me back to my suggestion that sovereign Indian tribes should look at that option.
There was an article that appeared in the Great Falls Tribune on 12/2 regarding a proposal for an innovative 'clean coal' generation plant near Butte. See: http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071202/NEWS01/712020304
It seems to have some interesting twists. The project is proposed by EcoSphere Energy of New Smyrna Beach, Florida, according to the GFT.
From the article:
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Bruce said the plant would pump at least 50 percent of the carbon dioxide emitted by the plant into a 130-acre "algae farm," where microscopic organisms would consume the greenhouse gas as they grow. The algae then would be harvested, and the oils extracted and used to produce biodiesel.
"This is cutting-edge stuff," he said in an interview following the meeting. "This plant would produce close to 60 percent less carbon dioxide than a conventional pulverized coal plant and about 10 percent fewer emissions than a natural gas plant."
The emissions that aren't fed to the algae would be released into the atmosphere, Bruce said.
He pitched his idea in a Friday afternoon meeting with Gov. Brian Schweitzer, Secretary of State Brad Johnson and aides from both offices.
"This is a project we've been working on for about two years with Mr. Bruce's company," said Johnson's spokesman, Bowen Greenwood. According to Greenwood, Johnson, who also sits on the state Land Board, met Bruce through a friend two years ago. "Brad immediately recognized the potential of the technology that EcoSphere was working on."
Greenwood said Johnson urged Bruce to look into coal from the state-owned Otter Creek coal tracts as fuel for the new plant. That coal, Greenwood said, has the ideal moisture content for the Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle process Bruce proposed.
After about 18 months of researching Montana coal, transmission systems and possible locations for the plant, Bruce said the time was right to pitch the idea to the governor's office.
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Maybe governor Schweitzer has something going afterall.
There is an interesting article in today's Casper Trib. they have decided not to try to build 2 new coal gasification plants in southern Wyoming. It really does not make fiscal sense for a company to spend millions to develop new technology only to have to spend millions more to defend themselves from the environmental lawsuits.
Maybe if enough people get really really cold or freeze to death during a brown out, then we can start again to provide fuel, but then we will be facing years of shortage while companies do the research and actually build plants and get them working.
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2007/12/12/news/wyoming/dd57370122353e84872573ae00074a79.txt
The huge cost overruns of new coal gasification plants have nothing to do with "environmental lawsuits," as some so erroneous have stated. Even the US Department of Energy is slowing down their grandiose "Futuregen" coal gasification project (which dumps millions of taxpayer dollars into coal, with industry picking up just a small fraction of the true costs).
Just today the US Department of Energy announced they are putting the brakes on their first "clean coal" demo plant because of concerns of cost overruns. This is another reason we need to put the coal industry out of its misguided carbon misery, and look to more cost-effective (and carbon free) solar, geothermal, wind and energy efficiency programs.
Here's the DOE announcement about slowing down their coal demonstration:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/weather/chi-futuregen_webdec19,0,7569162.story
chicagotribune.com
Energy Department slows down coal-energy project
Costs are a concern, it says
By Bob Secter
Tribune staff reporter
1:54 PM CST, December 18, 2007
"Just hours after Illinois won a national competition for a cutting-edge clean coal project, the Department of Energy today cautioned that costs were getting out of hand and it wasn't ready to sign off on the $1.8 billion FutureGen power plant.
"Projected cost overruns require a reassessment of FutureGen's design," read a statement from Energy Department official James Slutz. He said the department would provide more details next month on plans to restructure FutureGen.
The downcast statement quickly soured the party atmosphere in Downstate Mattoon, which just hours earlier had been picked by a consortium of utilities, coal companies and the Energy Department as the site for the plant designed to test whether abundant coal can be used to make power with little pollution.
Federal officials had asked the consortium to delay today's announcement, but were rebuffed. The private power firms largely control the project, though the Energy Department will pay most of the costs and has the power to stop it from going forward. As costs have risen, the department has tried to get the private sector to pick up a greater share, but has so far not been successful."
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