By Bill Schneider, 2-14-08
| Let's turn urban deer herds into a new hunting opportunity | |
| Two Helena bucks, not the biggest by far. Photo courtesy of Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks. | |
Bill,
I have thought about the City Deer issue for years. I believe that many others have had the same idea but like me did nothing.
It is a great idea. If OUR commissioners can't see the logic here;they shoud not be FWP Commissioners. I hear that highway flag persons are needed.
Bill: I thought were going to bring Matt Cohn or somebody else in on this followup?
Comment By Craig Moore, 2-14-08
Dear Messrs. Flowers, Workman, the FWP Commission:
The situation regarding the Helena deer population problem deserves your urgent attention. Please refer to Mr. Schneider's three columns on this matter that he has published at NewWest.net.
I find the police execution solution deplorable on many levels. First, the deer are a public resource, not a pestilence. Second, management solutions that employ public-private involvement tend to work best. Third, it is an incredible waste of public funds to pay for a heavy-handed government approach when a free solution is available. Fourth, Helena should be able to replicate other successful urban deer hunting programs employed by other cities.
Please consider encouraging the stakeholders to adopt an approach that best represents treating the deer as a public resource.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Craig Moore
What Craig said!!!
Comment By Craig Moore, 2-14-08After I sent my email today, I have yet to receive a response. Perhaps tomorrow. There should be a natural and powerful coalition of hunters and taxpayers willing to support Bill's suggestion.
Comment By GP Stone, 2-14-08Right on target!!! :)
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Isn't there some concern about wounded deer running through neighborhoods and not getting clean kills from amateur bow-hunters? The open space in Helena for doing this hunting isn't all that large, especially with the infill that is occuring around the Great Northern and northwest around Benton and Custer. My sense is that the politically correct people of Helena don't want to see or have to explain these scenes to their children after a deer with an arrow sticking out of it comes running through their yard leaving a blood trail, or worse, lays down to die. Don't underestimate the political power of these sensibilities, or how much in taxes people might be willing to pay to protect them.
Comment By Bill Schneider, 2-15-08rcm--As noted in the article, wounding is always an issue with bowhunting, urban or non-urban, but the other cities have kept it to a minimum with extra training and testing. And of course, we have the same issue now with deer (how many, I don't know) wounded in vehicle accidents and dying on front yards. We could theorize that fewer deer mean fewer deer wounded by vehicles, but with additional deer wounded by bowhunters, perhaps we'll come out with the status quo.....Bill
Comment By AD, 2-15-08Questions on Helena deer kill fiasco
1.Do any of the 5 FWP Commission members, Pat Flowers, Reg. 3 supervisor or Kurt Alt Reg. 3 game manager have any personal experience as archery hunters? Flowers said yesterday that it was full speed ahead with the original plan. He has a forestry degree and worked in that before coming to FWP. He admitted he had no experience with clover traps.
2.Having trapped deer and mountain goats with clover traps, I know that those deer are not going to stand still so a city policeman can press a bolt gun to their heads. How many of the city police have excellent experience handling livestock or wild deer? Those deer will fight very hard with both antlers and feet.
What will be the injury rate for cops and will there be pictures taken of their amateur operations?
3.What condition will the venison be in after the deer in the net clover traps are harassed by dogs and children? Will the adrenaline and other hormones released by an overnight stay in the trap, plus the final police handling affect the meat? I think that it may not be the of the best quality.
4.What research did FWP and the city of Helena do on this issue? Please have them produce that research. Finally the two bureaucracies can always blame the other for errors and thus avoid any reponsibility, CYA. Are they capable of learning from history in other cities and town?
AD
At 3:15 MST this friday, still no reply to my email.
Comment By Bill Schneider, 2-16-08AD--Convincing the FWP Commission to "de-authorize" the 50-deer execution is the only way to stop it from happening and and the only way to get back to using bowhunters. The City of Helena is locked into the plan, and since the FWP Commission has approved it, department employees have to follow their directive.....Bill
Comment By Craig Moore, 2-16-08Bill, still no response to my email. Perhaps you could repackage your columns into a piece to put into the Helena, Missoula, and Great Falls papers?
Comment By Les Booth, 2-20-08Bill... Well this sure is an interesting story - and a familiar one, too! Out here in Hoosierville, we have a lot of deer, but we've not come to the point - yet - of having in-town hunts for deer. We need one for geese though. But that's another story. Or is it?
Rich Patterson, President of the Outdoor Writers Association of America (http://www.OWAA.org), recently spent his column discussing this very situation. His home town of Cedar Rapids, IA has now had three successful deer hunts, within city limits, to reduce the growing population problem.
They have had their opposition, but the results are evident: nearly 300 deer, annually, have been converted from urban problem to venison delight. Quite interesting, according to Rich, has been the support of the non-hunting public for the use of a common sense approach to solving the deer population problem; volunteer local area hunters.
Weighing the chances of seeing a wounded or dying deer against the very literal reality of the damage to people and property doesn't take a special scale. The majority of residents, in most urban areas, would no doubt opt for reduced stress through a reduced deer population, rather than reduced city services through a reduced operations budget.
We'll keep an eye and a keyboard on your progress.
les