By Robert Struckman, 11-12-08
| Caption: Edra Blixseth, owner of the Yellowstone Club, at a legal hearing last summer. | |
| See related story: News Analysis: Tim Blixseth Absent from Yellowstone Club Debacle - For Now |
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Category 4 financial storm measured in billions of dollars.
$6+ Billion in bonuses for Goldman Sachs.
$6+ Billion in bonuses for Morgan Stanley.
$66 billion in bonuses are being set aside for the 'engineers' who perpetrated 'the storm' in the financial system and the real global economy.
These monstrously greedy people in dark, pin striped suits who have pillaged the capitalist system and ruined humanity's political economy by turning it into a gambling casino and stealing its wealth for themselves and their minions are the same people who are now warning honorable people not to dismantle the global economy.
What is wrong with this picture?
Steven Earl Salmony
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population,
established 2001
http://sustainabilityscience.org/content.html?contentid=1176
A number of members of the bankrupt club are/or were executives of Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and other major financial institutions. Although some I have met have morals and ethics if their history is researched some may not. I can only wonder how much stock these guys have in those companies and how much of our tax dollars are to prop up their sagging investments.
Another interesting fact is Hank Greenberg's son who had a trophy home built in the Big Easy up there stiffed local contractors 580K until a court ordered payment some 18 months later. Why is it the elite rich are not prosecuted for their behaviors. If they spent some time behind bars they might think twice.
I think it is time to take back America from the scum who have destroyed our financial markets as of late!
I am sure that you can dig up negative information on a few of the 300+ members, but an overwhelming majority of the club's members are just hard working, honest people who have made an investment in your local community. It is amazing the hate that is expressed on this forum towards people that have poured millions of dollars of investment into the Big Sky/Bozeman area. If you don't like us or our money, we will gladly invest in communities that appreciate the jobs and the opportunity for the local people. You can generalize the members if you choose, but we can also generalize the community with our pocketbooks.
Comment By PD, 11-13-08I think that the most interesting point here is that this article states that there are 521 employees of the Yellowstone Club with only 360 members! That's nearly 1.5 employees for every member! No surprise that there's no more money.
With the Club being privately controlled by Tim, then Edra Blixseth, it would be in the member's best interest to collectively buy the place out, and establish a board of directors. The only way the place can continue is to run it like a REAL BUSINESS.
You can't just throw money at a problem this large. The warning signs for the Yellowstone Club were blatantly and repeatedly ignored by the top brass. If I were a member, I'd be pissed. I'd also want guarantees that this will never happen again.
As for the "Club Member's" comments... I've personally met many YC members, and they are for the most part had-working, honest family-people who just want somewhere to escape to - somewhere where life isn't so hectic. You have to understand that, while perhaps misplaced, the anger towards members is because we can't just move back to our "first" home when we're laid off and broke.
We don't have the same financial resources as you. When we lose our job we lose the ability to make our car payment. We lose our family's health benefits. We can't make rent on the 2 bedroom condo that 5 of us live in. I know employees who've spent 8 years working with and for the Yellowstone Club - only to have the rug pulled completely out from underneath them.
As far as I'm concerned it serves these people right. It's about time they have to pay the fiddler. And anyone having continued doing business with these people should have made sure the check didn't bounce before they did the work. There are many people out there in the same or worse predicaments. Millionaires, and billionaires get no sympathy from me. They have sure ruined a good mountain range.
Comment By CWB, 11-13-08Hey PD... That 360 Members, includes family members as well... do your research.
Comment By Vendor, 11-13-08Club Member
You are correct that people are generalizing about the Club Members. People are hurting and very scared and are attacking anything and anyone. We are talking about over 500 people in the valley loosing their jobs. Where are they going to find employment when Bozeman businesses are laying off people? Who will buy their homes if they need to move to find work? Its terrifying!
Club Member don't play this game, just get the other members together and make things right for the employees and vendors of the Yellowstone Club. I'm sure you are embarrassed by all this. You don't deserve this nor do we.
Club Member has a point. The members are not to blame. Lets all focus on the greed of Blixseth. Seize their assets and all is better. As members, we shall do what we can but in the end wehave already paid dearly and contributed dearly. Therefore the only way is for the courts, the members, the employees to stick together and do a classaction against Blixseth and seize his assets. Credit Suisse we need on this front. Speak up, the problem is only with Blixseth, Byrne and others trying to line their pockets.
Comment By Vendor, 11-13-08Privatepowder
Now your talking! I'm sure you have paid dearly but if you fight for this and nail whoever is to blame for this mess the outcome can be so much more rewarding for all of you.
Club Member: go fall on your sword somewhere else. The thought that the southwestern Montana sun rises and sets on the mega rich and their monuments to themselves is laughable and insulting to the real hard-working people of Montana. And do you really purport to be part of this community, all four weeks (tops) of your annual residency behind closed gates? It takes more than money, high roller.
The lesson learned from this fiasco should be for the people of Montana. The YC has been hailed as a mega economic engine and a savior for this area, but what do we have to show for it? Former public lands on the edge of Yellowstone Natl. Park subdivided and conquered. A ludicrously inflated real estate market. And all those jobs...where are they now? The club can't even pay its employees or contractors.
This whole economic meltdown is a lesson Montanans should have learned by now: when we too heavily rely for our livelihoods on the ultra wealthy, we get screwed. And screwed everybody seems to have got.
Club Member, you may be a swell person. You may work harder than a mule, and you may even truly appreciate Montana's beauty, but I am here to tell you that in your attempt to cordon off your own little piece of Big Sky paradise, you are helping to destroy it. And aside from all the real Montanans who will be hurt by this, I lament little the tragedy of the Blixseths, the club members and their little Never Never Land.
So if you want to do something good for this community, Club Member, try living in it first. There are no membership fees. There's nothing you need to prove to anybody. And--get this--we have great skiing too! My only other advice would be that if you have to shower your pocketbook upon us, just do so and shut up about it. Constantly reminding people about it is tacky to say the least. Chalk tact up as one more thing money can't buy.
Interesting back and forth to which I have one observation. Everyone involved is going to hurt. Hurt is relative. For example the vendor with a $50K or $100K lien against the Club which is the life blood, difference maker in staying in business or not, vs Credit Suisse, who can write down millions without really mussing their hair that bad. Or the employee, who truly, if out of work, is really toast because Bozeman's economy has also imploded, with YC just another kick while you're down.
It was a nice party but it is over. For angry Club Members, what did you not see or get about the program that many of us saw? We saw a bit of joke, and it was on you guys, because there was no way that revenues were paying for your benefits. Do the math, looks like to keep up that level of service and amenity your dues just went up BIG TIME. You bought it, you pay for it. Caveat emptor. Close a couple lifts. Reduce the number of servants. Or just blow it off and go ski at Big Sky with the rest of the common folk, the terrain is much better, the food not so much.
I have to agree with Scott and Dave. My heart bleeds peanut butter for you. HA! You asked for it, you got it. now deal with it. Don't expect any sympathy from a LOT of us Natives. You can go to some other state and ruin their Mountain Range. My Dad was Foreman of the B-K, what is now Lone Mountain Ranch, in the '40's. It is a sad sight to see all these energey defficiant homes going up up there. And the Bathroom in one of those houses uses more energy and water in one use, than our entire home does for 6 months at least. It wouldn't bother me a bit if the entire Yellowstone club turned into a Ghost Town. My Nephew, at least, got done and paid for the work he did up there, and was smart enough to not go back. The 'boom' development that went bust my o my. Not like that doesn't happen to REALLY hard working folks all the time. Didn't bother any of you 'millionaires' when it hits the little guy so why should we give a rat's behind when it hits the 'elite'?
Comment By Jonathan Weber, 11-15-08Editor's Note: This thread has been edited to remove personal attacks, in accordance with our comment policy.
Comment By Jeffrey L. Doppelt, 11-15-08It's time to take the broomstick from the Wicked Witch of the West and open up Yellowstone Club to the hard working general public. I hope the bankruptcy judge in Billings is listening. When someone in my financial situation having saved for more than 30 years and skied for over 50 years is denied the opportunity to ski this mountain something is very wrong. I could not come close to the financial requirements of joining this club. Whoever said that Big Sky is a far better mountain than Yellowstone Club was 100% correct (and I think the food at Moonlight Basin was also better). If Yellowstone Club does survive I think skiers at Yellowstone should not be allowed to access Big Sky if reciprocal priviledges are not granted to skiers at Big Sky (as they have with Moonlight Basin). Let this be a lesson to the ultra rich that there are very fine folk at Big Sky and sharing your mountain with us might have saved you from this bankruptcy nightmare.
Comment By DMDJAC, 11-22-08A couple points of clarification. With 360 memberships, there is usually an additional 3.2 users per membership, i.e., husband, wife, kids, family, guests, etc. An employee base of 521 is not full time or full time equivalents. In fact, to run a club of that size and complexity, 521 is a usual number.
Comment By CT, 11-22-08I'm a former employee of the club and can tell you from very first hand experience that none of this comes as a surprise to me at all. The club had no budget accountability whatsoever. I was responsible for ordering very expensive products and had a bottomless budget. The extravagance was INSANE. Nothing except the very best was purchased. I'm not against people having nice things and I'm not against the club's members. However, the fancy lodge, which I hear has yet to be finished, was being filled with the finest things that money could buy. It was like it was being fit for a queen - no kidding. This is where the club's management went wrong.
If you took a random survey of members and asked them whether it was important for them to have 3 hour lunches on the finest china, I guarantee a large majority would have answered no. BUT, the club's management insisted on the best. NOTHING was too good for Edra and Tim. I left the club because seeing this go on on a day to day basis was very saddening. I really enjoyed many of the club's members and employees and was paid well for the 2 years that I worked there. This is a problem of mismanagement by the higher-ups, beginning with Tim and Edra. Unfortunately, they were so out of touch with reality that they let this happen. They could have asked any of their lowly hourly employees if the club was eventually going to run out of money and I guarantee most of them would have said yes. But once again, who were WE to say anything. Tim and Edra are the ones with the "big brains" and big pocketbooks. Let me tell you, this has been a long time coming and was an absolutely preventable situation. That's the real sad part here. The members were being taken for a ride. And the employees were just trying to make a living. The Blixseth's were trying to create an empire for the rich and famous. How sad.
In addition to the many people their mismanagement has affected, the environment has been ravaged as well. I don't know how much money, time, effort, etc. that was wasted on building the golf course on the side of a mountain that gets about 3 usable months a year, but I'm sure it's a lot! I love Tom Weiskopf and his design was beautiful, but the club should have never built that golf course. You can't golf in the snow and rain! Any idiot knows that. I heard that members were lucky to be able to get a tee time. I thought that's why they were members!
I could go on and on and on, but I'll save you the drama. Mostly, it was very sad to see the waste of EVERYTHING that happened there EVERYDAY. Brilliant work Tim and Edra!
I am a vendor who has lost all financial security thanks to the YC and It's deceit. I provided a contractual service to the club and because it was a service I am not even able to file a lien. I have lost close to $28,000 in a start up business and was left with personal and business debts well beyond my means. I am on the brink of losing one of those overly inflated condos that most of us in the Bozeman area are living in. I worked up there for several seasons before starting my own busines and CT is absolutely right in the fact that the overspending was apparent to nearly every employee in every department.
What disapoints me the most is knowing that I may end up in bankruptcy, with out a home, and the only comment in this thread from any members has the sole purpose of defending their image in this valley. I know that most members did not intend for anyone to end up getting hurt by the opportunities they thought the YC was providing. What members must understand is that there will obviously be some animosity towards them when I know for a fact that Tim, Edra and others will not be worrying about how they are going to feed themselves in the coming weeks. As for the Member's comment I would pray that you never provide another community with the opportunity to lose millions of dollars, that was earned through hard work, to people with the kind of wealth we could only imagine. The mess that the YC has created will be felt in this community for a long time and people will not forget how they have been exploited so that the Blixseths and other jetsetters could continue to impress their cronies with mega wealth.
Just like to say hi from algarve golf to all at the forum hope to contribute soon, and wish you all a merry Christmas
Comment By Philippe TOSTEN, 1-05-09Bonjour nous souhaitons pouvoir joindre le chairman dans le cadre d'une offre de rachat de Chateau de FARCHEVILLE
IL est urgent de pouvoir transmettre à notre client
Cordialement
My brother used to work at the YC Club 6 years ago. I emailed him one of first articles about the club going bankrupt. His reply back to me was - "I knew this would happen because of all the wasteful spending Tim Blixseth did"
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