By Nick Gier, New West Unfiltered 1-05-09
Hey Nick! Great to hear that your 'academic' interest is still alive and well despite you no longer being employed by the University of Idaho.
As an Idahoan coming from a family benefiting from 3 generations of Idaho graduates - I'd ask you to kindly take your comments and opinions and share them with your other transplanted, carpet bagging whiners.
Thankfully - your attempts at dragging Athletic and University tradition down failed. Fortunately, there are many other schools which offer majors providing no economic benefit that would love to hear you continue your incessant whining.
Go somewhere else - you lost the fight and no one of merit wants to hear you anymore.
All of this coming from a philosophy professor is actually pretty funny. I'd bet his students could write paper after mind-numbing paper about the irony of the situation.
Comment By Dan, 1-07-09You really don't get it. Athletics bring in attention to schools that academics can't provide. Have you ever seen a chemistry competition on ESPN on primetime? What about an honor roll on the nightly news? Athletics unite students, boosters, alumni and are the flagship of any non ivy league university. Did you notice how even with these horrible sports teams the athletic department is still turning a profit? Imagine what will happen when they start winning.
By they way, you might want to double check your facts. The basketball team is ranked about 150 spots higher than the 300-something figure you boast, and try looking into the "flutie effect". Nice try, but you would have a better argument about how the philosophy department should be dropped in favor of a more relevant department or *gasp*, athletics.
One of the great things about athletics is that a good coach builds character, good manners, and sportsmanship in his or her players. It's too bad that this does not happen with many fans, such as the rude people we have here.
I've had a fair number of athletes in my classes and one of the first things they learn is that it is a logical fallacy to argue against the person (ad hominem). The only proper logical procedure is to direct your comments to the argument itself. Personal insults don't win an argument; it only reflects poorly on the ones who choose to insult.
The UI Press was eliminated in 2005, the year that athletics received an extra boost of $800,000 and 27 staff were laid off. The administration said that it should be self-supporting (as I say athletics should be) even though it is part of the academic mission of the university. One of its title won a big award and was featured on several national news programs. Our theatre arts and creative writing departments have national reputations with performances around the country.
Dozens of our faculty have international reputations and take the UI name to all corners of the globe. I've honored the UI in Asia and Europe, where they have never heard of the UI Vandals.
Only nine athletic programs in the nation turn a profit. If you look at the athletics budget on the UI website, a quick calculation shows that they took at least $3.2 million more than they gave for FY09.
A specific response to Joe: I've lived in Moscow for 37 years and I love the area and the University. Despite your insults, I'm staying put, and I will continue to criticize an administration that favors one non-academic unit over all all others.
Nick
I have seen way more studies and papers written that substantiate the fact that Successful athletic programs do help with Univ. giving and enrollment. it is no secret that WSU enrollment has been up partly because of MBBall success. What about Gonzaga? or BSU? how can you say the Athletics doesnot play a role in the success of these schools that are right under your nose!!!! If any one at Nortre Dame thinks that they would be half the institution that it si today with out football you are speaKING FROM IGNORANCE. PERIOD
I am a student in a U of I degree program which is up to be cut this April.
I think the commenters are mostly a bunch of WAC-jobs. (haha, get it?)
Of course the Philosophy department doesn't make money. This is a public educational institution. It's not SUPPOSED to be self-sufficient. The University's mission is to educate Idaho's citizens. It's mission is NOT to waste $3 million a year to entertain fat alumni and drunk fratboys. The entertainment of fat alumni and drunk fratboys cannot be fit into any definition of "Public Education."
However, this is fundamentally up to Idaho voters- and I suspect they'd mostly favor cutting U of I academics altogether. We can rename the University the "Amateur Athletics Institution of Idaho."
P.S. I'm sorry to argue ad-hominem against the fat alumnus and drunk fratboy, rather than strike down their fallacious propositions. I'm sure I'd flunk Philosophy, but I get an A in flaming, no?
I am a student in Physics at the Unviersity of Idaho. I will be graduating this Spring. My undergraduate education here as been excellent, with varied research opportunities, an internship with NASA, and competive graduate school applications to schools such as MIT, Caltech, and Stanford. I feel that overall UI and the physics department in particular has given me an excellent education
However, the physics Program at UI is due to be cut this year.
Why do Athletics hold such a holy grail? More than half of the UI students I know rarely or never attend a UI Athletic event, recruiting at UI focuses heavily on academic programs (such as the Honors Program, National Merit Scholars, etc), but considerably less emphasis is placed on Athletic programs.
While I don't have access to accurate numbers, from my experience at UI, I don't think athletics play a major role in student recruitment. To Dan and Carlos, do you have statistical information that links UI's performance with it's athletic program? Also, to Dan, yes, ESPN 2 regularly hosts high school and college academic competitions.
While I realize that many people enjoy and are passionate about the athletic programs, I don't think that these programs should be exempt from equal and fair treatment. From what I understood, all Nick is proposing is a focus on academics in an academic institution and equal treatment of all programs.