"Baffle them with BS"

Spanish Peaks Lawsuit Alleges Deception on Landslide Risk

A weak shale formation bedevils builders in some parts of Big Sky. The Club at Spanish Peaks conducted studies and found some problems - but allegedly declined to share the information with at least one buyer.

By Guest Writer, 8-10-09

The Club at Spanish Peaks, a luxury second-home development in Big Sky, allegedly failed to disclose to at least one buyer what it knew about geological hazards on the property, according to a previously unpublicized lawsuit, shining a bright light on a complex issue that confronts many developers in Big Sky and other mountain locations.

In a lawsuit filed in 2007 in Gallatin County court, Terrence O’Reilly, the former Vice President of Construction at Spanish Peaks and the owner of lot 87 on the Spanish Peaks Estates subdivision, alleges that the developer deliberately withheld information about potentially unstable geology on his lot.

Internal Spanish Peaks emails obtained as part of the discovery process in the lawsuit appear to show that, as a matter of policy, Spanish Peaks did not disclose to potential buyers the results of geotechnical studies conducted on the property.

In one email, the vice president of development suggests that the response of the sales staff to customer inquiries about the issue should be to “baffle them with BS rather than provide the actual reports.”

Stephen Brown, a Missoula attorney representing Spanish Peaks, said the lawsuit had been settled and that everyone in the case was bound by a confidentiality agreement. While he declined to comment on the specific case, Brown said: “It’s Spanish Peaks’ position that they have made all the disclosures required by law.”

Trent Gardner, O’Reilly’s attorney, confirmed that the case had been settled but declined further comment, citing the confidentiality agreement. The settlement agreement was reached several weeks ago and finalized by court order on Monday.

Spanish Peaks, launched in 2004, was founded by Pittsburg businessman James Dolan, and was envisioned as an “unpretentious” private community for families with “recreational lifestyles.” Featuring a Tom Weiskopf golf course, a few private ski runs, and ski-in, ski-out access to Big Sky Resort, the 5,700-acre Spanish Peaks property is directly adjacent to the Yellowstone Club near Big Sky, MT. Dolan is a close associate of Yellowstone Club founder Tim Blixseth.

Dolan did not return calls seeking comment.

The O’Reilly lawsuit says that after purchasing lot 87 on February 18, 2005 at a discounted employee price of $385,000, O’Reilly put the lot on the market for resale. However, he was then allegedly forced to take the lot off the market after he encountered a “geotechnical reconnaissance report” which outlined geotechnical hazards affecting the property - in particular the risk of landslides.

Prepared by NTL Engineering and Geoscience on March 28, 2000, the purpose of the report was to determine if there was anything that might indicate slope stability problems for the planned residential development. Such studies are often required as part of the subdivision approval process, and Brown said the geotechnical reports at Spanish Peaks had been submitted as part of the subdivision review.

There is no specific legal requirement that buyers be informed of geological issues, but in general sellers are required to disclose “adverse material facts” if they are aware of them.

The NTL report divided the property into four sections and color-coded them according to the geotechnical hazards affecting each lot. O’Reilly’s property was colored orange, which according to the report meant that it had potential slope instability and expansive soils, and was recommended to have a “detailed investigation/stability analysis to evaluate stabilization needs.”

According to court documents, O’Reilly was unaware of the report’s existence. He sued Spanish Peaks and several of its executives on a number of counts, including fraud and negligent misrepresentation. 

In an email exchange between then- Vice President of Design and Construction Wade Pannell and Vice President of Sales and Marketing Mark West, on Feb. 9, 2004, West addressed Pannell, asking, “Soil tests and stability seem to be coming up pretty regularly with potential buyers. Any suggestions on how to handle this based on your past experiences?”

Pannell responded in part: “With regard to geotechnical stability, this seems to be one of those areas where we should try to baffle them with BS rather than provide the actual reports.”

Two years later, Pannell wrote an email to defendant and former Club President Peter Forsch, in which Pannell expressed similar reluctance to inform potenitial buyers and property owners about potential risks.

Pannell wrote: “Any interim report would open the lodge and settlement up to scrutiny. The more information in the public eye today may only cause additional and unnecessary concern in the public that will leak its way into the real estate community and the approval process.”

The possible geological hazards are not unique to Spanish Peaks. In many parts of Big Sky, the underlying rock is Cretaceous Shale, a weak sedimentary rock that can create problems because of its ability to morph into betonitic shale—a slippery, clay-like substance—when saturated with water.

Further, because Big Sky lies within the Intermountain Seismic Belt--the part of the intermountain west with the highest earthquake potential—the risk of sudden landslides is that much greater. Numerous landslides have been mapped in the area.

In 1959, an earthquake with a 7.5 magnitude struck part of Madison Valley, about 30 miles south of the Big Sky-Moonlight Basin area, triggering a landslide that killed 28 people. After damming a section of the Madison River, this event created “Quake Lake.” The quake marks its 50th anniversary this Sunday.

Many developers and engineers say that geological hazards can be mitigated with good stabilization techniques during the construction process. Brown, the Spanish Peaks attorney, points out that many mountain areas are subject to ground movement and it’s by nature one of the risks of building in the mountains.

But some scientists are less sanguine. Montana State University Professor of Earth Sciences Stephan Custer, speaking generally and not about the Spanish Peaks situation, said that although some structures are engineered to resist current or upcoming ground movement, it can be a roll of the dice.

“Can we build on landslides?” Custer said. “To some degree. But the cost is transferred to the future.”

For Spanish Peaks, the geological issues and the O’Reilly lawsuit are part of a long list of troubles. Construction of the main lodge at the development has been halted, apparently due to cash-flow problems. Contractors are complaining that they haven’t been paid – one even mounted a picket line at the Spanish Peaks entrance last week in a successful effort to obtain some $20,000 in back-due money.

Spanish Peaks has substantial debt, according to sources familiar with the project, and with the luxury real estate market all but dead for the moment, it’s unclear how the financial problems might be resolved.

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Comment By Seth, 8-10-09

Another MSU Earth Science prof once showed us a map of landslides in the Big Sky area in past 100 years. It was hard to see many places that hadn't moved in that time. This was during the building boom; prof said map was unpublished due to being "too political" but it's probably still in a drawer somewhere.

Comment By Fenske, 8-10-09

You don't need a Map Seth. Just look around the Lone Mountain area and you can see evidence of landslides in just about every drainage.

Comment By Dave D, 8-11-09

Correction Sharky the decision not to "core shot" the Dolan residence lies with the former head of YC Construction who was the project manager at the time building the Dolan Mess. The estimators for the project were so woefully under budget that the anchoring to the bedrock and the soil stabilization was ignored due to budgetary constraints. Yes ultimately Dolan was cheap but all one had to do was read the geo technical reports.

Glad your back

Dave D

Comment By Montana007, 8-12-09

If you're the Vice President of constuction in Spanish Peaks you should be able to do your own research. I suspect it is more likely a case of "I have a piece of property that I can't sell in this recession so I better find someone to blame". Let the court decide. I've also made some spontaneous and subsequently bad decisions, but you should live with them and find a way to make the best of the situation. There are a lot of people going through tough times, but it's getting tiring to see everyone look to someone else as the cause to their situation. Why isn't he working as Vice President of Construction anymore?

Comment By Friend of Big Sky, 8-12-09

i was hoping that the personal attacks that have no point other than harrassment were going to end with the YC saga. i guess not.

Sharkbait - your comments on whether the geotech reports were accurately represented or the apppropriate advice followed are interesting, especially if backed up by facts...the fact that the entire Yellowstone drainage is in a quake zone is hardly news. Individuals buildling homes, etc - they get to make their own decisions on how much to invest against slippage.

the personal comments about someone's home and family are adolescent and don't add anything to the discussion.

Comment By Mehmnet, 8-12-09

Okay - yeah - these people got stung but they can afford it. Next!

Comment By Nameless, 8-12-09

This issue is going to blow up. Geologist after geologist quit because nobody at yc or sp would listen to what they were saying.

Comment By Sharkbait, 8-12-09

Friend of BS,

Maybe you are right about family and home info, but so many doubted the accuracy of many of my past statements. Being detailed should indicate the depth knowledge one might have. Ultimately, the choice to build/buy or not lies with the purchaser. I have seen numerous geo-tech reports from all over YC. In fact a verbal geo-tech was used to determine, by two of us, whether a lot should or should not be purchased. The first being the case. Anyone who buys in a landslide area like YC,SP should decide based on the engineers report. Now, you know as well as I that reports can/have been both vague and detailed depending the need at the time. How many geo-tech reports have you seen of this area? Again, I have seen a bunch and have spoke to numerous core drillers and equipment operators who have seen a lot more than you or I. The Voyager condos at YC are built on major drainage area with plenty of water underneath. Let us get that geo-tech made public. What I have been saying all through this is the players cut corners wherever and whenever to maximize their profits at the expense quality and the buyers. That is the bottom line my Friend of BS!

Comment By old timer, 8-12-09

I noticed trees growing sideways about 30 years ago in that entire drainage that includes the YC and SP. It was obvious to me that the ground was moving. When will we get to a point where common sense(at least for some folks) rises to the top of this debate regarding the snake oil salesmen and their ignorant customers?

Comment By Charity, 8-14-09

The Montana Bureau of Mines and Geology just posted the following document.

Vuke, S.M., 2009, Geologic map of landslide and other Cenozoic deposits, Big Sky-Moonlight Basin-Lost Lake area, Madison Range, Montana: Montana Bureau of Mines and Geology Open File Report 581, 1 sheet, scale 1:24,000.

Comment By Curious about geologic map, 8-14-09

I looked online for the map "Charity" described, but I have not been able to find it. Would appreciate if anyone has more info on the link. My husband and I own a lot in Big Sky and we probably should have had a geotech survey done before we bought it, but we didn't.

Thanks!

Comment By Roscoe, 8-18-09

It seems crazy to me the former VP of Construction is responsible for blowing the lid off this issue. Tip of the iceberg for sure.

Comment By Naz, 8-19-09

try http://www.mbmg.mtech.edu/mbmgcat/public/ListCitation.asp?pub_id=31187&

or

http://www.mbmg.mtech.edu/pdf-open-files/mbmg581-moonlightbasin.pdf

Comment By DIRT STIFF, 8-21-09

dave d------you make some accusations in your post that are not even close to the facts regarding the dolan geotechnical work performed on his home in 2000. however we have all learned from reading your posts and others that facts are not part of your program. i am curious about your term ' core shot.' could you explain this process and how it relates to slope stabilization?

Comment By kaidano, 11-29-09

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Comment By WORTMAN, 4-14-11

OWNERS OF A LOT IN THE CLUB AT SPANISH PEAKS-CONCERS ABOUT LAND VALUE, AND LAND SLIDES AND LAND CONTAMINATION

Comment By BUYER OF SP LOT, 5-18-11

I am very concern about my investment in SP. Can anyone expalin me what is going on? Why did I pay $525,000 and now my lot is for sale for $199,900? Which attorney shall I call?

Comment By Roscoe, 5-19-11

A 60% reduction in value on a development lot is not uncommon in any region these days. Is your lot on a site that has been determined to be "unstable"?

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