By Allen M. Jones, 8-22-05
It's nice to see an interview with Doug Peacock - I only with it were longer!
I think there are two reasons we need Ed Abbey: the first (and obvious to me at least) was Abbey's insistence on not only protecting the Earth but just not using it up. Be gentle - consume but do so gently and in a responsible manner. Nothing beats a steak, cold beers, and a cigar.
And this leads to the second reason we need Abbey: he was who he was. He made no apologies for smoking cigars or drinking or eating meat. Today? Hell, having some friends over now means khakis from EMS/ REI, $175 "walking" shoes, and if (God forbid) the man has a beard it's neatly trimmed.
Abbey confirmed environmentalist/ conservationist philosophy is large enough for just about anyone - including bearded and grouchy men who hunt their own meat. But where is that today? It seems buried beneath a veneer of self presentation and not self preservation.
Sociologically, movements have always been characterized by people who are gruff and grouchy and don't give a damn what others think. Look at Einstein - the man never saw a hair brush he liked. George Washington? Stood on the front of the boat pointing with his sword (or if not it makes for a hell of a print!). Edward Abbey? In one of his books he measured the distance travelled by the beer cans tossed out the window (alright, not advisable and not a photo op but poignant nevertheless).
Conservationists have almost lost touch with the dirt that makes us who we are. Sometimes it is about hoofing a few frozed steaks and beer into the backcountry. In fact, I'd say that's the cultural stuff that let someone like Abbey become who he was.
People comfortable in the board room are often uncomfortable outside the board room.
The man appears to be mentally ill to me. The only reason he thinks the environmental movement is dead is because its had to curtail it methods employing demagogery and dogma. The American Public has grown weary of those practices and that has forced the professional environmentalist to use reason and reasonble tactic. Only fanatics like Mr. Peacock are sorry to see the environmental movement evolve.
His comment on the delisting of the grizzly bear is a perfect example of the point I'm making. Pure demogogic speech, with no facts or evidence to support.
Although of course I can't speak for Doug Peacock (who's no more mentally ill than the rest of us), for my money it seems to me that the health of any movement or political interest largely resides in the diversity of opinion that it can comfortably embrace. A point could be argued that in the face of the current state of things -- our culture's extreme and institutionally entrenched anti-environmentalism -- moderation is perhaps not the only "reasonble" (sic) tactic.
Comment By Joel Sanda, 8-24-05"The man appears to be mentally ill to me. The only reason he thinks the environmental movement is dead is because its had to curtail it methods employing demagogery and dogma. ... Only fanatics like Mr. Peacock are sorry to see the environmental movement evolve."
I disagree. That's no different than saying people like Samuel Clements (Mark Twain), Beethoven, Albert Einstein, and Marie Curie ("Madam Curie") were fanatics and employed demagogery and dogma. All of them were pegged as completely insane by the 'experts' of their day. We're fortunate they opted for their own path and didn't 'evolve.'
Not unlike Edward Abbey they were not seen as instrumental until after their deaths (except for a small minority of observers/followers/readers). Nearly everyone saw them as crazy, as you claim Peacock and I assume you also mean Edward Abbey are. History tends to favor the lone person who looks askance at standard practice and questions it.
Rarely mentioned are those pointing and name calling - unless you're taking a social movements course in college. But the fields of literature, science, mathematics, art, and science are always led by the giants that were dismissed as crazy or insane.
"Vox Clamantis in Deserto"
Doug Peacock is an original. My God, his is the only voice with any guts. He tells it straight. The environmental movement has stopped moving! Where is it?
His voice absolutely haunts me--it like having your conscience speak....
If you have ever gone on a solo trip (I used to do them yearly), or even if you have ever camped away from the fricken cars in a national park, you know that Peacock is speaking the truth. Wilderness should be preserved at any cost. Once it is gone, it will be gone forever.
Frankly, we could use a little more blunt, ass kickers on our side rather than the lawyers and the Starbucks drinking women running the show. Lets get some balls people!
After seeing the gentleman's "mentally ill" comment it inspired me to, as Ginsberg said about Antler's epic poem "Factory", " laughter beyond tears".
You know, if you don't get it why don't you just go on to the next issue because you probably never will.
Peacock has only one true credo that echo's Abbey's and that is 'it is every patiots right to defend his country against its government". How difficult is that to follow?
With little natural world remaining now is it really the time to compromise? The movement needs new blood badly and if Peacock can inspire it so be it.
If you're not willing to compromise, are you willing to try and take me by force?
Comment By charles McCarren, 1-18-08death to the evolved puss that tried to diminish Doug Peacocks thoughts, and Cactus Ed's memory. He evolved to the point where Bush won two terms, with twos wars grinding and maiming our best and brightest, and attemps at rolling back the Edangered Species Act, and to desecrate the Artic Wildlife refuge. Monkeywrenching and being a man are needed now more than ever, this effeminate, metrosexual can go back to reading about the environment fom the comfort of his carbon banking condo in a god forsaken metroprolis while the REAL conservationists are out fencing riparian areas, building trails, and restoring native fish and mammals to despoiled areas, and being out in wilderness!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment By B Hindu, 12-06-10Im sure this guy would go crazy if he was confined to a room, he seems like he should be outside getting involved.
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