By Bill Schneider, 12-15-05
C'mon Bill! The Forest Service hates wilderness? Where would you derive a ridiculous idea like that? Exactly who is it in the Forest Service that hates wilderness?
By and large the Forest Service is made up of well-meaning, underpaid professionals who are trying to do a near-impossible job. That is, manage public lands for a myriad of conflicting "uses", with users constantly badgering (or sueing) to get their particular "use" moved to the top of the list, while Washington continues to starve the agency for the resources it needs to carry out its near-impossible mission. And despite all that, most Forest Service rank-and-file still believe passionately in their mission to conserve these lands for the public, in perpetuity, including as wilderness.
Bill, some of the most passionate wilderness advocates I know are Forest Service employees! Get to know some! And while we're at it, let's stop beating up on them and begin offering them the support they need to do their job well.
We can and should debate the details of forest management. But impeaching the ideals of those who are best-suited to accomplish the job, with no real evidence to support your accusations, will only continue to take us backwards. Lighten up!
McGregor,
Actually, you might be surprised to hear that I agree with you. I know many Forest Service employees who support Wilderness as much as anybody in the Wilderness Society. Regrettably, however, these people do not make the decisions on Wilderness proposals. I suppose it's difficult to separate the agency from its employees, but there is a difference. The agency itself has done everything possible to prevent additions to the Wilderness Preservation System. Recently, in Montana, for example, the FS recommended less land for Wilderness in three National Forests than conservative senator Conrad Burns.
Both Bill and McGregor are right; the Forest Service as an institution, with a history of getting the cut out under so-called scientific management, has been profoundly anti-Wilderness, yet it was Forest Service employees such as Aldo Leopold and Arthur Carhart, along with people like Bob Marshall and the Muries, who created the Wilderness idea and carried it foward against the bureaucratic oppostion of their superiors until Congress had to act.
As for mountain bikes, I don't relish the idea of suddenly meeting a mountain bike on a narrow trail while I'm leading a pack string of horses. Horses are notoriously intolerant of sudden suprises, and that's what mountain bikes tend to mean on the trail. On the other hand, horses don't like ATVs either. There probably is some room to maneuver on this issue.
What ever happened to the competitiveness between the USDA (Forest Service) and USDI (National Park Service)? If the public felt that the NPS did a better job of managing Wilderness, then there might be pressure for Wilderness to be moved from the US Forest Service over to Interior. Would the Forest Service then put more resources to managing Wilderness, in order to keep it with Agriculture?
Of course, this is all a bit of a shell game among Federal agencies. Maybe, just maybe, it would lead to a renewed push to increase the supply of wilderness lands. Because, if we encourage a new recreation activity we can expect to see demand for wilderness opportunities increase. In a time of decreasing resources, do we want to stir the pot by trying to squeeze more people into the same amount of room?
The problem with making generalizations is that they are generally wrong. The folks you refer to in the USFS that didn't like the Wilderness Law are long retired from the agency. If you look at the make up of the agency now compared to the big logging years of the '70's and'80's it has changed dramatically.
Long gone are the timber beasts that ran the agency. Now there are scientists that demand protection of a variety of resources, some most people haven't even heard of.
The problem with ONLY using the Wilderness Act to manage land is similar to only having a hammer in your tool box. It is essential to building the frame, but lacks the finesse or precision when doing the wiring, or plumbing, not to mention some of the finish work. So what's wrong with a primitive non-motorized area? That's what many of the Wilderness areas were before the 1964 law was in place. I would like to see a spectrum of land allocations describing recreation use. If everytime we want to "save" an area from ourselves we put it into Wilderness, eventually all we will have are over developed areas like ski resorts and mega-campgrounds on one end and areas that we can only walk in (Wilderness areas) with little in between for bikers, primitive car campers, or anyone else that doesn't fit into a neat category.
The latest round of Forest planning in Wyoming doesn't support a claim that the Forest Service "management" is any more pro-wilderness than were the bureaucrats of earlier times. The Bighorn Forest plan initially lopped off nearly 2/3 of the RARE II roadless areas from the inventory in that Forest, and it took considerable political pressure to get the Bighorn to back off even just a little to restore some of those excluded roadless areas to the inventory. And the Shoshone Forest planning process, which started earlier this year, is privileging the "multiple use" ideology and politics by emphasizing in its documents the goods and services the Forest provides rather than less crass and less commercial values. The new roadless area inventory and assessment for the Shoshone is due out next month, and I'm wondering how many of the 700,000 plus acres of RARE II roadless acres actually end up in the new inventory.
The fact of the matter is that the management of the Forest Service still has a pro-development bias. The Bush administration has simply made it worse. I know too many former Forest Service employees who've left the service because their commitment to conservation didn't get them anywhere once they reached a certain level.
Exactly. The problem lies mainly in Washington. But rather than write simplisticly that "The Forest Service" is opposed to wilderness, etc. etc., why not say exactly what you mean. The BUSH ADMINISTRATION, their political appointees are ideologically opposed to the very concept of wilderness. Further, we cannot expect much, if any new wilderness designation on federal lands while similarly oriented Republicans hold all the power in Congress. But when you simply state that the FS is anti-wilderness, Joe Citizen thinks you're talking about the folks in the green pants working on the local forest. Words have meaning. As a writer, Bill, you owe it to your readers to use words appropriate to truth and meaning. Otherwise, they might think you really mean that the Forest Service is anti-wilderness. And they aren't, are they?
Comment By Wyoming Guy, 12-16-05Mr. Hoskins mentions the RARE II of the Shoshone National Forest. The RARE II areas are not all considered roadless by many people...the forest service just uses its own definitions of roadless.
The Shoshone NF is already over 50% designated Wilderness with a capital W. Further restrictions and designations just cause more user conflicts as more and more people are crowded onto fewer and fewer remaining multiple use acres.
If I'm willing to use my own name in my comments, perhaps "Wyoming Guy" can use his. In any case, other people do consider RARE II as a legitimate baseline for discussing roadless areas in the current Shoshone planning process. It's also clear from comments made in planning meetings by the Shoshone planning staff that the Forest will abandon that baseline in a completely new roadless area "assessment." Based upon what happened with the Bighorn plan, I expect that new assessment to significantly reduce the number of acres in the roadless inventory compared to the RARE II roadless areas in the Shoshone.
I would also point out that if you read the Wilderness Act, you'll see that Congress declared Wilderness to be fully compatible with the definition of "multiple use" in the Multiple Use Sustained Yield Act (MUSYA) of 1960. I would also say that the definition of the term as used by "multiple use" groups is not compatible with MUSYA. When "multiple use" groups use the term, they really mean dominant commercial or industrial uses, which tend to be destructive--one more reason for continued protection for roadless areas.
Responding to McGregor, I disagree that it's just a Washington or Bush administration problem. The disinclination to support wilderness clearly exists in the Regions as well as in many Forest headquarters, some more than others, that is true. Also, that lack of enthusiasm for wilderness also existed in the Clinton administration's Forest Service at all levels, certainly in Wyoming.
In the current Shoshone planning process, conservationists can't get any commitment from the Forest regarding wilderness status for the Dunoir Special Management Unit in the Wind River District or the High Lakes Wilderness Study Area in the Clarks Fork District, for example. One reason for that is that the Forest has appointed a highly non-representative "Government Cooperators Work Group" that is dominated by county commissions and conservation districts pushing the highly skewed version of "multiple use" mentioned above. It's been clear that so far the planning process is being driven by "multiple use" interests, not the public interest in true, legally defined multiple use.
Finally, the conflicts will occur whether or not Congress designates additional wilderness areas. Conflict is not a reason to not work for additional wilderness.
Yes, McGregor, to be perfectly clear, I am saying that the Forest Service, as an agency, is anti-Wilderness. And I agree with you that the political opinions of the agency are centered in the Old Auditor's Building in Washington, D.C., but this is not a short-term event. The agency was also anti-Wilderness during the Clinton years and long before that, way back to 1964, in fact. Many people, if not most people, working for the Forest Service support Wilderness, donate to pro-Wilderness groups, use go backpacking in Wilderness, etc, but they have no voice in the agency's position against additional Wilderness.
Comment By Brodie Farquhar, 12-18-05Herb Kaufman's "The Forest Ranger," now in re-print, is a first-step toward indepth understanding of the service, how it has and has not changed in the last 50-60 years.
Randall O'Toole's "Reforming the Forest Service" is a free-market screed that reflects the Cato Institute, and less of his original criticism of federally subsidized timber harvests.
On a purely pragmatic basis, A Vision for the U.S. Forest Service: Goals for the Next Century, by Resources for the Future, examines the inherent conflicts between conservation and multiple use.
Just a little light reading,...
I really value Bill Schneider's thought that a different interpretation of the Wilderness Act would bring cyclists and env environmentalists together. That's definitely the best solution. But Schneider mischaracterized us and also misunderstood the scope or depth of this issue.
Had Bill Schneider bothered to talk with me, or to read IMBA's work on the issue more thoroughly, he might have come to the realization that IMBA and I have tried very hard for many years to support the preservation of undeveloped public lands. We have strongly and repeatedly supported the Roadless Initiative, and we support the Congressional designation of all kinds of preservation initiatives, including some Wilderness. We supported the pending Virginia wilderness bill, with nine new Wilderness areas, after environmentalists worked with us to compromise.
But our belief that some places deserve designations other than Wilderness -- e.g. national park, national conservation area, national monument, etc. -- is construed by zealots as opposition to preservation. That's a shame, as there are many ways to protect public lands. Diversity builds strength.
One error in Schneider's analysis was the thought that mountain bikers might somehow accept "the many thousands of miles of trails that would still be available to mountain bikers even if every proposed Wilderness bill passed." The trouble with that is that most wilderness activists want all roadless areas to be designated Wilderness. Some want Wilderness down to 1000-acre blocks. This would close most of the singletrack on our public lands to bicycling. There would not be thousands of miles remaining. Bicyclists would be limited to roads, which is exactly what our opponents want.
As the former president of a very successful environmental group, High Country Citizens' Alliance, wherein we obtained designation of two new, hotly contested Wilderness areas, I am dismayed by the environmental movement's narrow-minded attitude toward bicycling. It threatens a very important goal, the protection of our last undesignated wildlands. But as long as the movement insists on baning bikes from another 50 to 100 million acres of public lands, we will have conflict.
--Gary Sprung
Bill Schneider's article is a poorly researched, one-sided piece. Those of us familiar with the Wilderness Act and its legislative history know that T.Stroll (a pro-biking zealot) puts forward only one side of the story. The rest of the story is that many other legal scholars and wilderness advocates believe that Stroll's writings on the subject of bikes in wilderness are weak and deliberately slanted. Writers such as Schneider do a disservice to readers by presenting Stroll's opinions as fact.
Schneider also incorrectly assumes that because he doesn't mind bikes on his hiking trails, that others don't (and shouldn't) either. It's just not true. Many (perhaps most?) hikers do not like hurrying to get out of the way of fast-moving bikes, or breathing their clouds of dust after they pass, or missing the chance to view wildlife because the bikers have scared them off.
Yes, bikers deserve a place to ride. Lots of places. But they should NOT be allowed in designated wilderness. Not now, not ever.
Jim Carlson