By Allen M. Jones, 4-10-06
Message:
> Examining the teaching of Hellfire
> Is hellfire as a punishment for the wicked compatible with God's personality? Would a loving God really torment people in a hell of fire for all eternity? Can you picture people roasting in fire for a million, a billion, a trillion, a quadrillion ...years? Would a loving God do such thing? The obvious answer is NO. Almighty God will NEVER do a wicked thing. (Job 34:10, 12) God will punish the wicked, but not in a hellfire. How was Adam, a once perfect man who sinned, punished? At Genesis 2:16,17, God stated that Adam's punishment for disobedience would be death. What did death mean for Adam after he sinned? Genesis 3:19 shows that he returned to the dust from which he came. Before Adam was created, he was mere dust, lifeless, out of existence. Hence, when God says that Adam will return to dust, it meant that Adam was once again becoming lifeless, out of existence. Thus, Adam could not feel torment after he died as shown clearly at Genesis 3:19. Ecclesisastes 9:5,6 points out plainly that the dead are unconscious. They cannot feel pain or torment. God's choice to mankind is either life or death - either in existence or out of existence. (Deuteronomy 30:19) NOT life or hellfire.
> Actually, the thought of burning live humans in fire never came up into God's mind. (Jeremiah 7:31; 32:35) Even in cases where the Scriptures speak of punishing disobedient ones by burning, such ones were not burned alive but were put to death first by stoning, then their dead bodies burned. (Joshua 7:15, 25)
> What of "hellfire" mentioned in some translations, as the King James version, at Matthew 5:22 etc.? The Greek word translated "hellfire" is Gehenna. But the fact is Gehenna never meant hellfire. Please consider the following information on Gehenna:
> The Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna) was outside the walls of Jerusalem. In the first century Gehenna was being used as the incinerator for the filth of Jerusalem. Bodies of dead animals were thrown into the valley to be consumed in the fires, to which sulfur, or brimstone, was added to assist the burning. Also bodies of executed criminals, who were considered undeserving of burial in a memorial tomb, were thrown into Gehenna. Thus, at Matthew 5:29, 30, Jesus spoke of the casting of one’s “whole body” into Gehenna. If the body fell into the constantly burning fire it was consumed, but if it landed on a ledge of the deep ravine its decaying flesh became infested with the ever-present worms. (Mark 9:47, 48) Living humans were not pitched into Gehenna; so it was not a place of conscious torment.
> From the foregoing, it can be seen that Gehenna is used as a fitting symbol of complete, everlasting destruction or everlasting death for those whom God judges as wicked. Gehenna does NOT mean hellfire.
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> Best wishes,
> Lorna
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I kindly wish to discuss here the identity of God. Is Jesus Christ really the Almighty God? What do the following Scriptures indicate?
Psalms 83:18= This text shows that God is the MOST HIGH, or HIGHEST.
Luke 1:32= This text shows that Jesus is the SON of the MOST HIGH, or HIGHEST.
So God is higher than his Son Jesus Christ.
Also, the texts cited above shows that God and His son have different names each. God's name is Jehovah. The Son's name is Jesus.
Psalms 90:2= God is FROM EVERLASTING. Therefore, God had NO BEGINNING.
Colossians 1:15= Jesus is the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE. Thus, Jesus HAD A BEGINNING. He was the first person created by God. Note also that since Jesus is called the "firstborn of every creature" it means then that Jesus is a creature. (Creature: someone or something created or made)Thus, as indicated above, Jesus was the first of all persons, animals or things created or made by God; in other words, the first of all of God's creation. Could Jesus be God then?
John 14:28= Jesus acknowledged that his Father is GREATER than him. how then could Jesus and God be the same person? (see also John 13:16)
John 20:17= Jesus here shows that he has a God. If Jesus was God himself, why woud he have a God? Certainly does not make sense.
Acts 2:32= GOD who was (and is always) alive resurrected Jesus, who at that time was dead. A dead man cannot resurrect himself. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10) So Jesus is NOT Almighty God.
1 Corinthians 11:3= God is the HEAD of Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:28= Christ will SUBJECT himself to God after he accomplishes all that God gave him to do.
The two Scriptures cited above in Corinthians were written AFTER Christ was resurrected and back in heaven. Hence, even back in heaven, Jesus is subject to God. Therefore, it is clear that in the past, present, and future, God is superior to Jesus. (1 Corinthians 15:28 will be fulfilled in the future).
These are but a few of the Scriptures that prove that Jesus is NOT the Almighty God. God alone stands as the greatest, supreme, Most High; Jesus stands second to God. This information is vital. To have a good relationship with God and attain to everlasting life we must know the truth about God and do His will. (John 17:3; 1 Timothy 2:3, 4)
Best regards,
Simeon