By Courtney Lowery, 6-20-06
Hi Courtney, I think you are doing a great job. Keep up the good work.
Comment By Robert Hoskins, 6-20-06Courtney
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. For the folks out there who think theory has nothing to do with fact, a close review of this MPIRG report, based upon U. S. Gov't data, reveals some heavy, heavy facts that closely inform the "theory" of anthropogenic global warming.
Robert
Well for starters park the car, shut off the lights, heat and cooling, the computer, and the TV. The problem is not the producers, but the consumers.
Comment By matt, Boise, 6-21-06Perhapes everyone born since or have moved to the Rocky Mountains since 1960 should just be required to leave. How many of us who moved here for the outdoors hop in our cars/trucks/SUV's to go for a climb, kayak, flyfish, or protest something. Look in the mirror and quit blaming others.
Comment By sarah, 6-21-06The problem is both the producers and the consumers, and there are very concrete ways we can work together to limit carbon dioxide emmissions.
Its not about blaming others- its about making practical policy choices (and personal life style choices) that reduce our dependance of foreign oil and reduce carbon dioxide pollution.
There are lots of examples of ways we can limit carbon dioxide pollution in Montana (and Idaho too, Matt from Boise).
Last year, the Montana Legislature (Sen. Tester, SB 415) passed a renewable portfolio standard, dramatically increasing the use of renewable energy in the state. Wind power is cost competitve in Montana, clean, and creates an economic opportunity for farmers and ranchers. If we need to increase energy production in the Rockies, lets use our abundant adn cheap renewable resources. Eventually, we can reduce the use of coal and natural gas. Meanwhile, we can limit their negative impacts by working with industry and asking them to use the best available technologies to clean up their act.
I encourage people from all walks of life and political pursuasions to consider the real life impacts of global warming- lower water levels, drought, disrupted habitat- and to come together to create solutions. Global warming affects us all.
No matter how dedicated the environmentalist is they never seem to feel that they are a part of the problem, you are. Every single bit of energy you use comes from the ground too, except for wind energy, and even that is fought by enviromentalists too. If there truly is global warming going on that is caused by man, and I seriously doubt it, considering it won't help. The only thing that will help is to reduce your use of fuels, period. All of the running to meetings, movies, protests, etc will make things wourse if it truly is a problem. I have asked over and over on sites that insist man caused global warming is real this question, "are you planning to give up your vacation, go to a closer location, cut the time, drive 55 mph"? Without exception evryone of the believers is going to continue on as they usually do, because "what I do won't make a difference". Real or not as long as that attitude prevails among the believers who only want someone else controlled, nothing will change.
Comment By sarah, 6-21-06Exactly, Marion. The MontPIRG report (did you read it?) doesn't suggest that global warming is someone else's problem, or that someone else should fix it. It seems to me it that it trys to understand the causes of global warming, and uses sound scientific research to support something we already know- our current use of fossil fuels is causing the earth to heat up at an alarming rate.
Yep, I think we should change personal lifestyles that contribute to the trend. I also think we should encourage change in industry through good legislation.
And finally, as a response to your challenge, sure, I have and will continue to walk or bike to work, eat locally grown food, minimize long-distance, single person trips in a car, and support politicians and policies to minimize OUR impacts on the planet.
Marion I have some reading about global warming for you. I suggest you start here, a full report was released today by the National Academies: http://www.nap.edu/catalog/11676.html It's a fantastic resource.
And CNN ran a featured article on the report from the National Academies under the science section.
It is the "reconstructed" that I take issue with. First of all we know the Little ice age ended about 150 years ago. Beyond that when something is reconstructed via computer, it is dependent on the information put in. did they have thermometers? What kind? It is still all speculation to put an agenda.
Comment By Greg, 6-22-06Marion, the link I sent you explains in detail the proxy data used as substitutes for thermometers over the past 2000 years. The best reconstructions incorporate multiple proxies (e.g. tree-ring data, ice core data, bore hole data, O18 records from tropical corals, etc…) that when taken together span the globe. The book also provides a detailed description of the methods and even provides the computer code used to generate the reconstructions. Did you even look at the table of contents? I am offering up exactly what you are, and have been, asking for here. The least you could do is look at the table of contents, or maybe even read the summary. I just wanted to follow up on our previous conversation with a valuable reference for you, and anyone else with similar questions. Beyond that, I’d rather not have this discussion…there is no way I can counter your unsubstantiated claims and fictitious accusations of agendas. So I will bow out now and leave the comment forum so people might have more pertinent discussions.
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