By Mark Hebert, New West Unfiltered 7-15-06
I freakin' hate the Broadway road diet. I drive it every day and curse its stupidity.
Comment By D. Lash, 7-15-06Lived in Missoula a little while back traffic was screwed up then...If the folks of Missoula want the pristine tranquil mountainous beautiful low key way of life then buy a bike. If you want less traffic congestion then build more roads and bridges, suggestion how about a 4 lane 55mph city loop that takes the cars off the surface streets.
Comment By Matthew Koehler, 7-15-06Mark,
A couple points. First, you should know better than to think it's in any way possible at 5 pm for it to be quicker for you to drive Reserve St. to Broadway to Orange St. to Stevens all the way to your Miller Creek turn off. Furthermore, you know fully well that West Broadway is under construction, making your decision all the more bizarre. What you did was the basically the equivalent of driving from Missoula to Seattle by going through Salt Lake City and then complaining that it took you so long.
The old configuration of Broadway Ave (which you describe as "four lanes of flowing happiness") was not working. It was extremely dangerous to cross Broadway Ave. as a driver, biker or pedestrian. It was also very difficult to drive east or west on this section of Broadway Ave in terms of with dealing with other drivers, bikers and pedestrians. The sheer number of pedestrians killed on this section of road during the past few years clearly illustrates the problem and really calls into question your use of the term "four lanes of flowing happiness" to describe this section of road.
From my perspective, it seems that when Broadway Ave was reconfigured from 4 lanes to the 2.5 lanes last fall it wasn't completely finished and that's what lead to some confusion and anger. For example, the painted lines disappeared in a few weeks and seemed to be non-existent in places. Some of the signal heads appeared to be misaligned, the lighting didn't appear to be finished, nor did all the pedestrian crossings. These problems, I assume, will all be addressed during the official reconfiguration of West Broadway Ave that is currently on-going.
Since the first phase of the redesign happened last fall, I will say that my experience crossing Broadway Ave on bike and in my automobile had become (on average) much quicker and - most importantly - much safer. Of course, this might not currently be the situation because the road is under construction. What I typiclly do when roads are under construction is avoid them. It's usually quicker and, not to mention, safer for everyone, including the men and women doing the construction.
As a motorist, biker and pedestrian, I would much prefer to cross a street with just one lane of traffic in each direction compared with two lanes of traffic in each direction due to "blind spots" created when cars literally disappear behind each other on a 4-lane road.
Personally I'm willing to sacrifice a few seconds of my time when I choose to use West Broadway rather than continue to see people of Missoula killed on that dangerous section of street.
Great points Matt, thanks for sacrificing a few seconds and reading this.
Comment By Marty, 7-15-06I have been away from missoula for a few years now(probably around 5 or 6 to be more accurate). I don't remember west broadway as being a deadly strip at all. I know the russell/broadway intersection had always been congested, and that has been since I can remember(prolly '90 at the earliest). I wish I knew what the road diet really was(like I said, I have been gone for a while). Just from reading Mark's review though, it does not sound like the same area I used to drive everyday. I can hypothetically see Marks views though, and can't say that it would have been a bad idea, even 8 years ago.
Marty
Bridges not a bad idea. Why nobody has thought of building an overpass in smaller specifications up and over West Broadway? Such was built by City of Missoula and Motana Rail Link for pedestrian traffic to and from the North side of town.Even one of these with 2 person capacity(wheelchair person & attendant).This would let disabled people go up and over traffic and safely deposit themselves on the other side with no interruption of traffic.Design could let us go to 4 lanes again.
Comment By tim huffman, 7-16-06I once avoided the rush hour trip from Miller Creek to Broadway and Reserve by going to Blue Mountain Rd. then Big Flat Rd., Kona Ranch Rd., Mullan Rd. and Flynn Lane to W. Broadway. It probably added 5 miles or more, but kept my engine cooling, my mood mellow, and my schedule on schedule.
North/South routes have always been congested in Missoula. East/West traffic has always flowed pretty well, until recently. Bigger is not better, as evidenced by N./S. Reserve, but smaller makes no more sense if the road is already functioning well. There must be a pedestrian solution that doesn't wreck what works.
Mark,
I wonder if the mayor or someone he delegates could negotiate with the Montana Highway Dept. Representative and see if the "state"would rethink their position on "Road Diet"? All of our major cities like Denver, New York, and etc., have known for years that to smoothly move traffic will reduce accidents whether it be car or pedestrian. The city of Missoula is still operating under the misguided assumption that slowing traffic down reduces accidents, it doesn't! The Transportation people and the legislature should know this by now. Since the "state" has primary control over West Broadway,the "Road Diet is being shoved down our throats because it is considered a highway. Maybe a blog campaign of emails and or letters might possibly help the "state" wake up and "smell the coffe". With so many subdivisions being developed , each house will have one more car to add to hundred of newer ones already helping to clog West Broadway. What part of "increasing traffic congestion" does the "state" not understand "
All five of the fatalities since the mid 90's were at night and involved the pedestrian's/victim's being drunk and crossing the the middle of the street, not at a crosswalk. None of the drivers were cited as being at fault. To use the fatalites as the reason for improving safety is a red herring. The hidden agenda was/is to reduce vehicle traffic to downtown and establish bike lanes. It's one of the tactics of the anti-growth and anti-automobile crusaders that are very vocal in Missoula. Their other causes are the Bitterroot light rail and roundabouts, both of which will fail as miserably as the road diet. They want to force the European lifestyle on Western Montana.
Comment By Mark Hebert, 7-18-06Thank you Andy,
The voice of reason has just roared loudly!
Wait. Can't we find a middle ground? A solution that considers the needs of drivers, bicyclists, wheelchair users and even drunks? :-)
How about four lanes, a couple stoplights, maybe a pedestrian overpass, and better lighting?
Patia,
Your suggestions are perfect. The Missoula Downtown Association proposed those exact suggestions four years ago when the road diet was first unveiled. The city originally wanted to do the diet all the way from Toole to Madison but the MDA fought it. The city then came up with the current compromise and were going to start construction this summer. The city wanted this to happen so bad and were afraid that the election in November might change the makeup of the council, they rushed to do the temporary mess that has been the diet since last fall without telling the MDA or any of the downtown businesses.
The most telling from the temporary construction last fall is that the bike lanes were painted in but the cross walks were not. So was the road diet really for the safety of pedestrians or for bike lanes???
What do you mean by "WalMarts nasty little nest"?
Comment By Courtney Lowery, 7-19-06By the way, we've just recieved more commentary on the road diet from a disabled resident in that neighborhood. Read what Melissa Stiltner has to say about it: http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/10025/C8/L8
Comment By Bob Giordano, 7-21-06The road diet is not finished yet, so judging the road based on performance over the winter/spring is like judging a house without a roof. We can all probably agree that the half implementation coupled with the disappearing lane lines this past winter gave the project a big black eye.
Final striping is still one month away, the signal at Toole is yet to go in, the signal heads are still misaligned at Scott, the ped crossings at Burton and St. Pats are not done, and none of the beautification has happened. None-the-less, speeds are lowered and this is wonderful. The street is calm from my point of view as a driver, walker, and cyclist. It sounds as though a lot of people are raging from the driver's seat though. It's too bad that we as a culture have gotten to the point that quality of life means unrestricted driving freedom. Slow down and consider others' well-being is what I'm asking. Bicyclists are part of the transport system, so cyclists deserve space on that street.
To improve the Broadway 4 to 3 lane configuration: extend it the length of Broadway and do the same on Rusell and Higgins. Add modern single lane roundabouts at key junctions, double bus service, add passenger rail service (bio diesel powered, perhaps not electrified lite rail), connect the bike lanes, connect the trails, add more pedestrian only zones, implement more traffic calming and street reclaiming in neighborhoods, implement a city-wide 25mph speed limit on arterials and 10 or 15mph in neighborhoods, create a West Missoula town near the airport instead of subdivision after subdivision, build bike stations and car share programs throughout the Valley...
This is a package that the Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation is offering. Can you support this? Imagine no merging of 4-lanes to 3 to 5 back to 3 to 2, etc. A very smooth system would emerge if all arterials (except perhaps Reserve) were 3-lanes, with modern single lane roundabouts replacing many stop lights.
If we keep going as is: all arterials will keep getting wider, more stop lights will go in, motor traffic will double or triple, the air will get worse, costs will sky rocket ($43 million is the price tag to widen Russell to 5-lanes and the City has no idea how to pay for it), and livability will decline (in MIST's opinion).
So you are saying 'NO WAY,' I'll never do anything but drive no matter how enticing the alternatives are? Fine, keep driving, but realize that thousands upon thousands in this Valley are wanting to bike, walk, and bus more- but it is not as convenient or as safe as it should be.
Building great bike, walk, transit facilities is the sustainable (safe, equitable and environmentally sound) thing to do. Let's give Broadway and new ways of thinking a chance to work. Thanks, -Bob Giordano