This incident is not exactly flattering to the notion of sportsmanlike hunting. I hope the hunting community steps to excoriate this behavior and support new regulations to firmly ban it, regulations that I would have thought would not be needed, but apparently are.

How horrible.

Shooting a Bear in Bed, how sporting. (Yes I hunt)

Den or cave doesn't really matter,either way,it's not fair chase,and myself,and most hunters I know would not consider this ethical.
Following a bear into a cave is not all that bright of an idea anyhow.

That's a big bear to be going into a cave after...the guy has sand, that's for sure. I wonder if his ears are still ringing... Most of the dens I've seen have been more along the lines of holes dug into the dirt, under stumps, etc.--- not really anything you could get inside-- with a bear. I don't think a bear would go into an open cave like this and den up...too exposed.

Pathetic. Mr Kendall gives the sport of hunting a bad name. And what did you do with the carcass - stuff it so you can show your friends? Is there room in your trailer for it?

Disgusting. Akin to someone following you home and shooting you in your living room. I hope this guy gets his just rewards the next time he's out "hunting".

Kendall is neither a man and/or hunter. In my opinion he's a piece of crap.

Hunting is not a sport. It is meant to put food on the table. If the bear killed this hunter, would hunters be calling it a sport? I wish this hunter was mauled and killed by the bear. What this hunter did is disgusting on so many levels. The disrespect these hunters have for wildlife amazes me sometimes.

I hunt each fall for food,
I do not support hunting bears in the den,this is not an ethical hunt.
I do not welcome this kind of trophy hunter to Montana.
what did he do with the meat ?
horns or hides should be a by product of hunting, not the reason to hunt.
Kendall is a little man

Hunting Russian Brown Bears (Grizzlies) in their dens is common practice in Russia.

Native American Indians killed bears in their dens often, in winter, for the hide, the skull, and the meat, which makes mighty fine smoked hams. This ethical hunter scored all of the above.

Regardless of whether or not native Americans and Russians killed bears in their dens, bear hunters today do not consider this an ethical method of hunting. (at least the ones I know)
People who do this are like the guys who "road hunt",the guys who leave trash all over the backcountry,the guys who drink beer or whiskey during a hunt. (after is fine,back in camp)
The people who do not hunt and are not anti-hunting will end up being anti-hunting due to actions like this.
This guy needs to stay in CO. No one I know wants him,or people who hunt like this in Montana. Makes all of us ethical hunters look bad.
Wait 'till Destroyers of Wildlife,PETA,the Center for Biologic Diversity,and the rest of these extremist,whacko type groups publish something about this story.
They will say all bear hunting should be banned,all hunters are evil,
all lead ammo should be banned, because the guy put lead in a cave,etc,etc.

What about penalties for wolves?

I live in Plains Montana, at the foot of the Lolo National Forest, where the forced introduction of Canadian wolves has been a huge success, and hunters have seen herds of wildlife diminish thanks to wolves.
Last winter a local teenager found the bloody carcass of a female bear and her cubs while he was snow shoeing. A pack of wolves, out for a little entertainment had pulled the bears from their den.

Of course, this type of behavior is either ignored or not reported. At least with a human kill, the bear is killed swiftly and does not suffer. I guess you know that wolves go for the rear end first, pulling out the guts and leaving animals to suffer sometimes long and very painful deaths. And many many animals are never eaten, just killed for sport.

Kudos to the animal lovers who place pictures of cute cuddly wolves on their letters pleading for your money to save the wolves!!!

Sincerely,

Eunice Farmilant

Eunice, sweetie, you're proposing that men, the crown of God's creation, be held to the same standards of conduct and civilization as wolves? For years, I have been saying that ignorant rednecks like you ignore your responsibilities as civilized adults and instead act like wolves; but, this is the first time that I've noted your kind formally advocating the same standards of behavior be applied to you and the wildlife. Thank you for clearing things up.

Hey Mikey,

Yeah,I am a red neck born in Chicago who marched against the war, was active in civil rights and thought I knew everything, just like you.
Then I moved to Montana (after living all over the US and spending time in Europe, you know, the usual routine for rednecks.) I also wrote a few books, and had a couple of lucrative careers before deciding to settle in Montana after I became a widow.

Then my real education began. I no longer support the goodie-two shoes bleeding heart liberal organizations like Defenders of Wildlife, an organization incidentally currently headed by a guy named Roger, who used to be the chief of staff for Senator Baucus, and draws a really really hefty salary. Most of the environmental groups throw a great deal of their donations to lawyers, to fight the US government--and when they win their lawsuits, they get even more money---It's a win-win situation.

Yes, I drive a real redneck vehicle, a subaru, and I shop at all the redneck places, like Costco and still eat a semi-vegetarian diet. I think wolves desire to be treated exactly the way the Native Americas treated them, kept in balance by killing them.

Did you know the wonderful wolves that bleeding hearts are defending still kill humans,& rip apart people's pets and livestock for sport? Perhaps more education of what wolves are really like is necessary, instead of a Walt Disney version of them suckling their young and only killing weak and old animals ready for death anyway.

Eunice, your justification for killing any animal is not only untrue but outright lies. Anybody knows that wolves only kill when hungry and when they kill the animal is totally eaten up completely. I don't know what fictional animal shows you've been watching, but you need to get your facts straight first, before you go around bad mouthing wolves and justifying killing helpless, innocent animals for no apparent reason!!! It's people like you that are the problems in this country. Justifying shooting wolves from helicopters, and torturing animals. Animal abusers that's what you are. You and people like you are cowards and a danger to our society and make all us humans look unhumane. You have no compassion on anything but yourselves!!!

I'm sorry, but the bear was awake and kicking when this happened, so it's kosher. Even if bear meat isn't.
When lions are hunted, they're chased to a refuge, either a tree or a cave or a ledge.
Which reminds me, years ago, again in Craig, a kid and his dad got a lion on the kid's first tag, youngest ever to get a lion. The local paper bragged it up....I thought it was kind of neat, and his mom was helping him make a vest out of the hide.
Well, the animal rights freaks and "ethical hunters" came screaming out of the woodwork. That was when I realized that maybe it was time to leave Colorado. Never mind the spring bear hunt garbage, the coyote fiasco, the trapping initiative, and the spineless weasels at Roy Romer's CO DOW. I still have my Evil Empire bumper sticker from those days.
The part that amazes me is that bears have historically been viewed as varmints and pests, which is what they are, at least to those in bear country.
The sad and interesting thing is that until this hit the paper, all the guy heard was good wishes from his peers in the community. He has mine, anyway.

Dear Donna et al-

No where in my comment did I say it is justifiable to kill any animal--I am referring exclusively to wolves and my original comment was designed to be satire--but apparently, a bit too high brow for the heavy breathing environmentalists who are totally ignorant of what happens in nature.

Wolves have been given a whole new persona thanks to the Non Governmental Agencies which enjoy sucking money out of the guilt ridden who are willing to believe any story as long as there is a picture of a cuddly animal.

If you pay attention to the news, you could not help but have heard about two hunters who came close to being attacked by wolves recently in the Flathead area. Wolves hunt and kill in packs. I have heard first hand accounts from people who have seen them take down elk in winter, in the snow, big healthy animals--who have had their anus ripped out and bled to death. They were not eaten--they were just killed.

I can only suggest that people who are about to reach into their pockets to donate money to organizations that pay their CEOs hundreds of thousands of dollars to do a little research and find out exactly where their money goes and how it is really helping wildlife.

Bears --if people really gave a hoot about them --are more deserving of protection than blood thirsty wolves. Bears are omnivores--like humans--they eat berries, fish, bark, small animals and sometimes bigger prey. Wolves are mostly carnivores!! Bears are a whole lot cuter if you ask me.

I don't think any animals should be killed purely for pleasure or sport--humans who hunt animals and eat them are doing something that is a lot more in keeping with the natural world. I have personally lost animals to beasts here in Montana. I know that livestock owners are not given their due when their animals have been lost to wolves--and it is happening more and more as the wolves continue to breed freely..

Go online and do a little research before attacking someone trying to make a valid point Donna (and I pass this suggestion onto all the others who have swallowed the Hollywood hype about wolves hook line and sinker)

Bears ca fend off wolves, but they have no chance against bullets. Wolves were not forced upon anyone. They were already moving into Montana on their own. We helped bring some over, but they were going to be here eventually whether people helped bring them over or not. Another thing, this bear did not have to die. People who chase lions up trees only to be shot are cowards. This isn't ethical.

Dave Skinner proves to me that people like him don't care about wildlife. He even said hunters view bears as varmints. I thought hunters were conservationists and care about wildlife? This seems be the opposite. If they cared and valued wildlife so much, they wouldn't be killing and it and calling wildlife varmints. It disgusts me how you hear people like Dave Skinner preach of how they care about wildlife so much when infact they view some wildlife as varmints who they want to kill because of sport. If you hate widlife that much and view them as varmints, move. I'm also sick and tired of you people who live in a state filled with widllife complaining about living with wildlife. You chose to live there and if you don't like living with wildlife, move.

Yes, Eunice, I know you're not the standard redneck; you eat nuts and berries and have a different flavor of chip on your shoulder; but, you sure still fit the intent of the term. Now back to your last pronouncement, come on, bears "are more deserving of protection than blood thirsty wolves" because they're omnivores like humans? Are we supposed to recognize your credibility and intellectual depth on the basis of that kind of ridiculous nonsense? You're a loon ...and, by the way, the "odd jobs" you claim as careers were never really that lucrative and cookbooks for twinkie princesses don't really count.

Dave Skinner, other right wing extremists, did you hear that right wing anti-government extremist shot a congresswoman today as well as shot and killed a federal judge and a 9 year old girl. Are you happy with yourselves?

Tony, check your facts before spouting absolute nonsense: http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php

===quote===
A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as “left wing” and a “pot head” in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

Caitie Parker did not immediately respond to our request for an interview, but her “tweets” in the hours after the shooting paint a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords prior to the shooting. She says, Loughner described the congresswoman as “stupid and unintelligent.”

We’ve confirmed the two went to high school together at Mountain View High School in Tucson and both attended Pima Community College, so her claims of knowing Loughner seem to be legit.

Parker “tweets” that she and Loughner were in the band together and were friends until 2007 when he became “reclusive” after getting alcohol poisoning and dropping out of college.

She describes him as being “quite liberal” and as a “political radical.”
===end quote===

BTW Tony, isn't Kos sorta left wing like the shooter: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:egHLC2hTfZoJ:www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!+http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/6/933828/-My-CongressWOMAN-voted-against-Nancy-Pelosi!-And-is-now-DEAD-to-me!&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

What does "DEAD to me" mean to you coming from a lefty?

hahaha You're so ashamed to admit that this killer was a right winger which he was. He hated the government and he was paranoid, just like you ring wing extremist kooks. You right wingers make threats left and right and you love violence. You and your kind have blood of innocent people on your hands.

A liberal is going to shoot a liberal congresswoman because of health care? I hardly doubt it. It is you right wing nuts who are against health care, not liberals. You right wingers are a violent and racist bunch.

Right wing websites are going to say this kid was a liberal because they don't want to admit that they are all about violence and racism. Look at the tea party. They are violent racists. Look at the kkk, nazis, etc who are all conservatives who are racist and violent. The right winger by far are much more prone to committing violent acts than the left wing. The left wing aren't perfect by any means, but the right wingers are destroying this country. Sarah Palin is inciting others to do violent acts. Right wingers are also obsessed with conspiracy theories and they are extremely paranoid thinking the govt is out to get them and take their guns away.

Liberals don't shoot other liberals. That is just common sense. I see the right wing websites already claiming he was a liberal. haha Even conservatives have said he is a right wing nut job. Take that for what its worth.

Tony, perhaps you are way toooooo young to remember Lee Harvey Oswald, a communist sympathizer, who shot JFK, a
liberal. As for other lefties like you there were the Weatherman, Black Panthers, Sybionese Liberation Army, etc. Do you not know anything about Bill Ayers, Obama's friend, who bombed the Petagon?

BTW, neither the previous News site I provided, nor this one: http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-jared-lee-loughner-profile,0,3468158.story are right wing blogs. The shooter is a lefty like you.

This started as a conversation about hunting bears in their den.
It has turned into a political rant from both sides of the fence.i don't
give a crap if you are left or right.sounds like a bunch of bickering little kids.

Depending on what website you go to, he is a left wing nut or a right wing nut, Left wing nuts usually don't have guns and they usually don't shoot liberals. Liberals are also usually not paranoid about the govt like this kid was. Nazis, kkk, skinheads, etc are all right wing.

Dave, I agree that Tony's political digression was unnecessary and unfortunate. That being said it doesn't get a free pass to stand without challenge.

Tony, prove your remarks! Have you no sense of history regarding the French and Russian revolutions, the IRA, the 60's radicals, China's cultural revolution, campus violence in the 60's and 70's, Earth Firsters, etc.

They just found out the gunman belonged to a anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-semitic organization. The congresswoman that was shot was jewish. That has right wing nut conservative written all over it. As for proving it, do your own research and you will find out that I'm right. Liberals by the way are pro-immigration, pro-govt and certainly don't hate jews. Right wing conservatives hate jews. kkk and nazis hated jews and they were right wing.

Tony, prove it! Cite your source.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47308.html

===quote===
Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the target of Loughner’s firing frenzy, is “the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate,” according the DHS memo.

The group’s website features what appear to be paid advertisements for tea party versions of the “don’t tread on me” flag.

Jared Taylor, one of the founders of American Renaissance, made clear the group considers itself a think-tank or sorts, with a conservative circular that’s available by subscription, in an interview with Fox News.

Asked about the DHS memo, he said, “That is complete nonsense. I have absolutely no idea what DHS is talking about.”

He told the cable channel his group checked subscriber lists for its circular and found no record of Loughner subscribing to them or attending events.
===end quote===

Tony, are you not aware that the American Left hates Jews and Israel? Remember Jesse Jackson's New York "Jaime Town" remark?

The kkk, the nazis, right wing christians are all known to hate jews. You cannot stand the truth that you ring wing extremists are known to hate certain groups and people and use violence.

As for the source,

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7837094-american-renaissance

A liberal does not affiliate himself with an organization that is anti-semitic, anti-govt, and anti-immigration. Right wing conservationes are the ones that hate govt and are against immigration and are the ones that hate jews. If you look at history, the nazis and kkk hated jews and they were all right wing extremists. This proves how hateful and violent right wing conservatives are. Continue to deny the truth.

Tony, you can't find the truth... or even the proof for your claims. There is NONE at this time.

Was the bear 703 pounds or was there a misprint and it was 7 foot 3 inches. It sure is a huge bear, but not the size of a Kodiak Grizzly.

Donna Johnson, The only thing I can say about your "wolves only eat when hungry comment" is ignorance!

http://missoulian.com/news/local/article_5ff01772-938f-11de-9aca-001cc4c03286.html

Do you honestly believe the junk you spew?

Hi Eunice Farmilant and Reality 22: Since you both think I don't know what I'm talking about with wolves, here's facts:Endangered Species Coalition (http://www.newwest.net) people that study wolves and wolves behavior have this to say. No other predator feeds as many other animals as wolves do. Wolves promote biological diversity, affecting 20 vertebrate species, feeding many scavengers, ravens, magpies, pine martens,eagles, coyotes,foxes, and yes even bears. Scientific research shows wolves are key to the Ecosystems of the Northern Rockies. By killing the older, sick, elk, they reduce elk herds that are too large for winter range. Eunice I have no problem with people like you and Reality 22, it's what you stand for. You only know how to kill and shoot animals, mainly wolves who was put here by God Almighty. God saw a need for wolves to be here and they deserve to live here and exist just like the other animals. Without being gunned down by helicopters and poisoned and shot on sight like you guys are justifying. Go on that Website and read what the experts have to say. They're not trying to justify anything. They just print the truth. Cleared it up any.

Donna Johnson where do you get this stuff.....do you truly believe the junk you spew. "God" Another person's god may ask you while you're at the pearly gates.," why did you support the wolf.? Did you not know that I created this animal to keep game in check in the absence of man! Wasn't it clear that this animal kills in a horrific manner.... you would rather that the wolf kill in this way instead of the hunter. What was your issue with the hunter? Were you a vegetarian? Was it OK for you to eat the sirloin steak, yet not OK for the hunter to put food on his table and be proud of his take? You would rather that the wildlife be subject to the 24 x 7 x 365 killing of the wolf (worse than a Michael Vick dog fight) than the 4 week daytime hunting of the sportsman! Donna, the shoes you wear, were they leather? You could wear an animal's skin for clothing, yet the trapper has no right to do the same? "

Ms Johnson I'm very very comfortable with my spirituality and what my god will say to me at the pearly gates, I may be wrong ...... but either way you're wrong unless you are a vegetarian & human race was built to be vegetarian! You may be the one that has some thinking to do before standing before the pearly gates!

Reality 22: By the way I am a Vegetarian. But that has nothing to do with the issues here. Sometimes our own conscience condemns us Reality 22 for things that we do that aren't right. Wolves are animals and what they do they were created to do. They kill by running down the animal, old, sick, weak, whatever. We kill by shooting helpless animals which in my opinion isn't fair. Anybody knows that whoever has the gun has the advantage. What fairness is in that. Follow an animal to its den and shoot it helplessly. Is that fair? Gassing puppies in their den, is that fair? Shooting wolves from helicopters, is that fair? Ask the average American and see what answer you get! By the way, the hunter I was speaking to was a atrophy hunter, I think. So the average hunter kills for sport and not for food, so you can take that sirloin on the table crap somewhere else. I'm not buying it! People that kill animals, torture animals, I wonder what kind of heart they have. You have to almost have a cold, dead heart to do it and I feel sorry for you and Eunice and other cold, hearted people like you.

Donna, Your what some call disnified! You have no sense of reality! People like you make excellent targets for groups like defenders of wildlife which suck your extra disposable income down the drain! Please tell me what good a group like defenders of wildlife has done for wildlife & then compare that to a group like the Rocky Mountain Elk foundation!

I suspect my connection to nature and animals is far greater and more extensive than yours! I've logged over 250 hours in the outdoors this year & the only thing I shot was one whitetail deer. My wife loves the "organic" meals it provides. You and your cohort feed each other the notion that hunters go out and blast everything they see. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Just look at the cuddly wolf pups on the Defenders web site....these are the same wolves that grow up to kill almost 1/4 of a million dollars worth of livestock in Wisconsin alone last year! What about the pain and suffering those animals went through? How do you think the owners of the 1/4 of a million dollars of livestock feel about wolves? That 1/4 of a million was confirmed depredation, most experts say the unconfirmed depredation is at least that or even up to six times the confirmed. What do you think those people think about wolves? Go ahead and donate your flush money to depletors of wildlife.

I'm willing to predict that the longer you anti hunters in wolf huggers clothing let your precise wolves run amuck the more hatred there will be for your animal. The true wolf lovers recognize this and are calling for control of the animal!


http://www.wolf.org/wolves/news/live_news_detail.asp?id=5895

17 of the Northern County boards in Wisconsin have passed resolutions against the wolf..... the WI DNR defines the northern forest as 19 counties in the North this is where most of the wolves are. It kind of tells you what the local people think of your wolves!

Reality 22:I get it. I know most of the Livestock owners hate wolves as you do. There are lots of things the Livestock owners can do to protect their livestock from wolves, but they don't want to try a lot of those techniques. They just want be happy until they kill all the wolves who kill less livestock than coyotes or bears, even. Wolves mostly kill caribou and moose. Also as far as wolves killing humans, it is very rare and very rarely happens except in movies. You say I'm disinfied, well I have a whole host of other Americans that feel the same way as I do. More than you know. Yes, I do donate lots of money to Animal Protection Agencies. Wild life and otherwise, that's true. What true wolf lovers you say are calling for the control of the animal or the extinction of the animal? Where are they. The 37 million and counting wolf lovers l know are calling for the wolf's protection. Wolves were close to extinction once and we saw the effect it had on our Wild life and Ecosystems. All I'm saying is the wolf is more important than you know and they deserve to be protected. We all just have to figure out a way to live in peace with wild life together, the way God meant. What is so wrong with trying ways to keep the livestock from wolves without gunning down and killing every wolf in sight?

Johnson, See that is where you're going wrong! I was one of the supporters for letting wolves into northern WI. I remember discussing wolves with my cousins up in Slough Creek (MT) back in 1995. I sat around the camp fire asking them what the problem was to let a few wolves into Yellowstone & Northern Wisconsin. Boy was I wrong!

No matter what you do you will not be able to deprogram the wolf not to pull a calf out of a calf hut or maul the neighbor's dog as they did in Shawano Co less than 5 miles from my property this year. Wisconsin set many records this year with the wolf depredation. This animal is different from the coyote & different from the bear! If the 33,000 bears in Wisconsin depredated at a rate of almost $300 per bear per year we would see 10,000,000 dollars of dead calves, horses, sheep, pigs, goats, cows, turkeys and chickens. Your precious wolf is different and never will live well around humans, EVER!

As far as you extinction comment, the gray wolf was never "near extinction" with all the trapping, poisoning, bounties & direct persecution the animal could not be wiped out from the lower 48 states! That comment shows your ignorance on wolves! The $5 bounties back in the early 1900s would equate to $500 dollars today! The only way this high maintenance animal is going "extinct" is if you completely piss off all the people that have to live with the vermin and they start a poisoning campaign again.... even then you will not be able to wipe out the gray in northern Canada! Next to man, the wolf is one of the most adaptable creatures on earth & going nowhere soon!

Support for your precious wolf is shrinking & nowhere what it was when they lived in mostly habitat where they did not cause trouble. Keep pushing them into poor habitat and you will continue to see a decay of support and people jumping the fence to my side....that I promises!

http://www.wolf.org/wolves/news/live_news_detail.asp?id=5894

Wolves have always been a hated animal, but today there is much more support than them. Hey reality22, you worthless hunting pos, we outnumber you wolf haters by the thousands upon thousands. We do not care if you pathetic hunters hate wolves or not. Wolves kill other animals and that includes livestock. Livestock are a NON NATIVE INVASIVE SPECIES and they are overpopulated and they should be thinned out. The wolves are the perfect animal to do the thinning of non native species such as livestock. The deer and elk are the wolves food sources, not yours. You can adapt and pick from many different food choices that the wolves cannot do. The only vermin is you and your hunting friends.

Wolf Warrior: Let me say that was very well said. I couldn't said it any better at all. You and I both know most of the hate that's targeted at wolves are hunters and their officials. These hunters not only target wolves but other animals as well. Bears, Cougars, Coyotes, included. This makes me want to support the WildLife Protection Agencies even more. I'm writing out my checks as we speak, because wolves and lots of other wildlife need our protection. Who else is going to speak up for them. If left up to the hunters, they'll be no more left to run free. Thank God for people like you, Wolf Warrior and the countless million other wolf lovers we have in our corner.

Actually, the support for wolves is based more on emotion than on reality....
The people most affected economically by this illegial wolf interoduction are the ones paying the highest price. While prowolf huggers sit on computer terminals going on and on about how wonderful wolves are, these people are losing livestock and many folks are seeing a drastic reduction in elk and moose numbers in any area that wolves have occupied for more than a few years.
Wolves are no doubt the number one ecological disaster to occur in our new century.
So continue. People like wolf "warrior" and the rest. Keep feeding the money making DOW and EarthJustice at the expense of the people who actually live in the areas these wolves are now occupying.
We agreeded to a few wolves in Montana. Just goes to show you, never trust the government or an environmentalist. Never.
Its funny to read the ariticles from the prowolf croud concerning this species. How wolves are going to "save the planet". How aspens are being saved, songbirds saved, beavers saved....it gets so old.
Anything to save the nonnative wolf. Save from what? Their are tens of thousands of them in Alaska and Canada. Maybe we need to considered saving the yellowstone moose before none are left (down to 114 in 2010 from 1200 in 1995).

Big Sky, actually our support for wolves are not just emotion alone. We care about every living animal on the planet and believe each one, including the wolf has a God given right to live on this Planet we call Earth to run free from Gun shots, helicopters and traps. You say wolves are the number one Ecological disaster to occur in our new century. The Environmentalist and Scientists who are experts, people who make a living studying wolves are saying wolves are one of the most important animal IF NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT ANIMAL TO OUR ECOSYSTEM this century.You say wolves are nonnative. The experts call wolves native. They were here thousands and thousands of years before we came to be in their backyard. Sounds like Native to me. I know you and people like you Big Sky will never change in your hatred for wolves, so nothing I nor the Environmentalist can say to change your hatred for this animal. God created the wolves to be here and that's good enough for me. They deserve every right to live here as you or I or any other animal!!

I disagree on all counts....

To say they have the "right to live" is beyond belief. They have "the right to live" just like any other living thing, be it a deer or domestic cow which of course we as humans eat. There are tens of thousands of them in canada and alaska. Why not leave them there? Why put them in the middle of other peoples lives where they destroy thousands of dollars of stock and the livihoods of many people?
For every "expert" you talk about in favor of wolves, I can find an "expert" that is against this introduction.
I can also tell you that my neighbors who live in wolf country are 100% against wolf recovery (or introduction). This is not because they hate wolves, or would not even mind if a few were around time to time. It is because of the damage they do, and they do cause much damage. This has all been covered many times, over and over. The people hating environmentalists who are destroying the livihoods of so many with no recourse but to say that wolves are the most important animal on the planet? How about the cattle producer who is losing money due to wolf predation or weight loss due to stress? How about the average fella who knocks down his food bill in the winter with an elk? How about the guiding industry that relys on elk for employment? How about the elk themselves? Is is better to have a wolf hamstring and elk and watch it die in three or four days or a bullet from a hunters gun which kills in a couple of minutes? PEOPLE are in the equation, and you folks that live other places have no right to tell us how to live.
How many taxes to wolves pay? How much revenue to wolves bring to our towns and cities? Hunting brings in over 3 million dollars to our town every year. Do we need to lose this so you can have wolves?
Its rather bizarre you don't call yourself an environmentalist. I use to listen to these people until I saw how its all about money to them and not about people.
If you cared about other animals you would not be supporting DOW or EarthJustice.
Brainwashed into ignorance. That is the prowolf hugger of today......

Reality is that wolves kill other animals to survive and there is NOTHING wrong with that at all. Even if they kill non native overpopulated livestock, that is perfectly normal. Wolves kill elk, deer, livestock etc and they are still wonderful and amazing animals regardless of the natural way they kill in order to survive. If you don't like living with wolves and feel you are paying a high price, move to somewhere else preferably a state with no wolves. No one held a gun to your head and told you you have to live in a state with wolves. If you hate wildlife so much, move and stfu about it. Wolves are native. There is plenty of evidence to back this assertion up. Cattle are a real and true NON NATIVE SPECIES. Let's thin them out because they should not be allowed on our public lands. Eating elk and deer is not considered damage by most sane people. Every rational person knows and understand that wolves are supposed to eat elk and deer. You don't like that, too bad. cry me a river. i will say it again, cattle are a NON NATIVE invasive species. They are overpopulated as heck and are a grave threat to our wildlife and our lands.

Big Sky: What is this you are talking about. No one is telling you how to live? I'm merely supporting wolves. A high percent of wolf supporters are even in your own area, your own state, even. So wolf supporters are everywhere and we are many. Everybody in MT, and Wisconsin and other states where wolves exist toady are not wolf haters so don't even go there. Also there are things that cattle producers can do to protect their cattle from wolves. They have countless techniques they can do without harming the animals. They refuse to do so. So an animal doesn't deserve to be protected because we can't eat it. So you say? Also elk, deer, and moose, caribou would be over populated if not for the wolves, which keeps in check the coyotes and other smaller predators. You say the Environmentalist and scientists who support wolves are all in it for money but in your own statements that's all you have talked about. How much taxes do the wolves pay, how much money hunting and killing animals bring in. You're the one emphasizing on money here. What wild animal pays taxes anyway. I'll say again. As long as I or any other animal activist and we are in the Millions has breath in our bodies and the ability to do it, we are going to fight for the wolf and other animals that are in peril danger from you Scoffing hunters and animals killers!! Who are you people anyway, that you think you have the right to say which animal lives and which animal dies. I'm not an Environmentalist. I wish I were. I'm just an Animal Activist protecting the rights of Animals, Wolves included!!!

Big Sky: What's happened to this big and bad wolf hater now? Cat got your tongue. Why won't you answer Wolf Warrior's question? Hiding now, huh!!!!

Actually, its called work. (Something some of us do now and then)
The majority of the people I know who have a stake in this wolf game don't want em around. Why? hmmmm, the eat their livestock. You have to watch your cows all the time or sooner or later the cows are pushed through the neighbors fence. They eat your dog and will do it off the front step. They kill the wildlife indiscriminately. Wolves have no seasons to contend with and no bag limit.
We are not going back 200 years so a bunch of wolves can take over the neighborhood.
Obviously, Wolf boy, you don't have a stake in this game. Besides, I could care less what an animal activist thinks anyway.
Those public lands you talk about are not yours! They are the publics, and will be utilized for the benefit of the public till the sun don't shine. Get use to it wolf boy......
Besides, thinning a few of them out puts a few bucks in a few peoples pockets. My friend in Canada gets about $150.00 for a nice pelt. A good outdoor way to make a living on a renewable resource......
Donna, you have no idea......gotta live the nightmare before you can reply.

If your friends have a problem with wolves eating their livestock. then quit and tell them to get another job like a regular person. Predators eating your livestock comes with being a rancher. You don't like it, quit and get something else. I'm sick of you welfare ranchers complaining about wolves. If you and your livestock ranching buiddies hate wolves, quit being a rancher and move to a wolfless state and find another job. When you ranch, you take that risk. The problem is ranchers let their dumb stupid non native invasive animals out where wolves and other predators can easily get them. I have no sympathy for you welfare ranchers. Ranching is a CHOICE and any sane person would not bitch about wolves if they decided to ranch knowing the risks that predators will eat their livestock..... There is no nightmare involved living with wolves. Wolves eating elk and your non native invasive livestock is and will never be considered a nightmare, not even close. It is perfectly natural and acceptable for wolves to eat other animals, get over it you widllife hating.

Big Sky: You could care less what an animal activist says, right! Well you should because we are the ones that support the WildLife Agencies enough so that we can do battle with you Wolf Haters in Court! Where wolves are protected by the law in some states and anyone found shooting them will be prosecuted. Also you should care because we outnumber wolf haters on a scale of one to thousands! There are more for us than are against us! And I know what work is, it's something I do everyday, that's why I have the money to do what I do! I feel good that I'm out there saving animals, not destroying them, like cowards who hide behind their GUNS!! If I had a choice between living next door to you or the wolf, I'll choose the wolf anyday. Enough said.....

Bigsky, Looks like the Wolf Warrior and Donna have all the answers. 37 million people are wolf lovers...per Donna. That's one in eight people (man women and child) if they all live in the US! These two sound like real hard core anti-hunters (in wolf hungers clothing).

http://www.wolf.org/wolves/news/live_news_detail.asp?id=5896

and do you have a problem with those that don't like seeing people like you massacre animals? I have done more for wildlife than you ever will and the wildlife lives. a coward like you gets his jollies off of shooting innocent animals with his gun. You don't have to tell me about anything as I know much more than you will ever know about wolves. Yes, you cowardly hunters hate wolves, we all get and accept that, but we don't care how you feel about wolves. You hunters are anti-wildlife. tHE ONLY interaction you hunters have with wildlife is when you are trying to gun it down. hunters are declining fast because people are starting to be informed of how much hunters don't care for wildlife. They love killing it and that's it. instead of worrying about the wolf population, wanna you worry about your own population close to 7 billion people and you are so concerned with wolves and their small population. we all know that you want to kill wolves so that you can have more elk and deer to kill for yourself. we know your agenda and you are exposed.

Ha Ha, Reality, they have no answers. These are the folks who would love to turn the clock back 300 years to the days when all wildlife was "wild". No farming, no modern conviences, nothing but misery and hunger for people throughout the world. They don't understand that MAN is in the equation now. No doubt they have never had to deal with having to work to make a living, much less feed a family and depend upon a job. They do not make a difference one way or the other. It is fun to get em all riled up though......

"Wolf Warrier"? What kind of a name is that? Maybe take into consideration that all those people you hate earn a living and have families depending upon those evil cattle. Ya know, the cows that are not "native". Ha Ha. Its called a livihood. Try it sometime...maybe....GET A JOB! You been reading the blogs to much. I don't know of any welfare ranchers.....but I can sure say I would rather see a few cows on that federal land that takes in fees than a bunch of mangy wolves destroying whatever wildlife there is to see on that land. This is why you can go to the grocery store and buy cheap food.
Be thankful there is a court system Ms. Johnson. Learn a bit about the law in the process.....your wolves are protected legally in all the lower 48 states. The only way they can legally be shot or killed is if they are in the act of killing domestic livestock or pets, and more than a few have been caught in the act. Outnumbered? Really? Not in my state. Last count I saw was 85% for control, and we live here. How long do you think this charade will last?
600,000 people applied for and got tags to hunt deer in Wisconsin last year. 750,000 were in pennsylvania this fall. 700,000 were hunting in Michigan, and a quarter of a million in West Virginia. Those are the stats from just 4 states. Now tell me, just how many of these states are gonna welcome wolves to tear into their game herds? Much less the farming industries that many people earn their livihoods from?
The other side of the issue is monetary. Of course, in your way of thinking that does not matter much. But your way of thinking goes out the window when folks start losing jobs. In my state alone, 2 1/2 BILLION dollars is spent hunting. Wolves produce no income (cept for wolf biologists) and the wolf watching myth is just that.
So keep on spewing your prowolf crap about how wonderful these creatures are, how they are going to save the world, all that. Come to yellowstone in about another 10 years and maybe they will have the last moose on display in some cage for people to see. You sure won't have to worry about the aspen groves. So few elk will be left by that time that the place will be a vegatable garden. Of course, once all the game is gone the wolves will have to move to find new sources. Griz numbers are gonna plummet in the near future as so few elk calves and carcasses are left for them to feed on. Make sure you keep your bear spray handy as hungry bears like to investigate backpackers!
You don't support crap, donna. You only help destroy everything but wolves.....

ummm, wolfie, quit throwing the coward stuff out, huh? Makes you look like a fool....no need for it here.
Much to easy to hide behind a screen name and make threats

they are still a non native invasive animal. You use this argument all the time with wolves even though they are native. cattle should not be allowed on public lands. It is good to know that wolves have an alternative food source (livestock) when their other natural food sources like elk and deer may get low. There is no shortage of non native invasive cattle. there are millions and millions of these non native animals all over the place. Ranching is a CHOICE. If you don't like predators eating your cattle, quit ranching and find a job that doesn't involve predators acting naturally and going after easy prey.

Oh, yea, for the record...I do hunt, love it and eat it all....never massacred any animals that I know of. Shot a few, yep, and ate em up. Sorry, don't wanna live on no carrots full time, makes your skin orange after awhile.
I take pictures also, got some good ones of deer, antelope, elk. I use to take moose pics also but they are so hard to find nowadays.....flower pics are best.
Hunting pays its way for wildlife. Licenses and fees provide jobs for fish and game personel and buy access and land for hunting opportunities and management studies. Hunting also pays for nongame species and habitat for these living things also.
We can (and do) live with a few wolves. We will never live with thousands. When the first person is taken by a wolf, the game will be up.

Wolfie, what do you know?

Public land is there to benefit the public. Now, for the record, I am no cattleman, own no cows, have no affilities with cattlemen except they sometimes let me hunt some of their private ground. I do admit that I have worked for more than a few in my youth so I know the people. I also know they have the same values as the rest of us, raise families, and care deeply about the land. Afterall, they have to, its their livihood.

Our forefathers did not intend for that public land to sit idle. Granted we have taken some of it (much of it) and utilized it for wilderness and other sources, but public land is there for the use of the public.

That use includes grazing leases so somebody benefits from it. It also includes mining leases and timber acerage. It is definitely not there to just raise wolf pups.

This whole "welfare ranching" thing you seem to spout about was not created by the folks who graze that land. It was created by the government. If the grazing fees are to low, then lobby to raise them a bit. If overgrazing is occuring in some area, then report it.

You keep saying cattle are invasive species. What a joke. I would venture to say they are invasive species that SUPPORT PEOPLE. They are not going anywhere and never will. You idea is to take people out of the equation and replace them with wolves? NUTS.

You folks that advocate letting the land sit there with no use are antipeople and antiestablishment and your opinion is worthless.

I see now why we have people on my side of the fence that just SSS. If they ever hear people like you talk, your wolves have no chance.

All I'm doing is stating the truth. You don't like me stating the truth? you have no problem spreading lies saying wolves are non native when you must know that is a lie. cattle are without question a non native invasive animal. This is something that is well known. Wolves on the other hand are a native species to NA. Wolves should have much more of a right on public lands than a non native invasive animal such as a cow or sheep. If you don't like the problems that comes with being a rancher, the only advice I can tell you is quit and find another line of work. Ranching is a choice. Wolves are not doing anywhere. we are working to get cattle, a non native invasive species kicked off puclic lands as they don't belong there.

No they don't wolfboy.

PEOPLE live here now.

Public land is for the public, not just wolves.

We should have cattle on more public lands. We are wasting a great resource.

Ranching is a great way of life. Better than being unemployed, for sure.

Hi Wolf Warrior: Yeah, these blood thirsty Hunters have blood all over their hands. They all like to throw a rock and hide their hands. You notice they all like to say how much they like Wild life and they never shot anything in their lives, except a deer here and there, when in reality they've killed so many animals they can't count them all. They pretend they kill for food to feed their families. I'm not buying it. They are nothing but a bunch of Red Neck, Nature hating, Gun totting Hyprocrites! They're very fierce toward anybody who doesn't agree with their Agenda. They attack anybody who doesn't support their bloodthirsty wolf hunts! These hunters like Big Sky and Reality 22 are by far the worse of their kind. That is why I'm not going to stop until Wolves are safe from these animal killers and animals bashers. I would have more respect for them if they just admit what they are. It's obvious to everyone everyone!! Go figure..........

Ha Ha, Yes, we need to go figure......nuts in every jar....

Big Sky! yeah go figure this! It takes a nut to know a nut! Where do you and Reality 22 get off thinking me nor Wolf Warrior doesn't have a job! Is it because you don't have one except shooting and killing animals? Is that how you guys make a living? Also Reality 22, you need to get your figures strait. You and Reality 22 are the biggest HYPROCRITES I've seen in a while. You have no problem shooting and gunning down elk, deer, moose, caribou, yourselves, but it's wrong when the wolf does it. The wolf who God created to hunt! These animals are what the wolf is created to hunt and eat. Why is it allright for you to shoot and torture deer and antelope, but not okay for the wolf to do it. Atleast the wolf is doing it to survive and feed their cubs. You guys are doing it for Trophy hunting. You guys are not making any sense. You both are obviously uneducated and misguided. You both need help!!!

Yep, no problem donna. We do shoot a few deer and elk during the season of course. We also utilize that meat to feed our families, and it lets a few carrots live a bit longer to boot. It would be nice to have a trophy animal, but I have not seen many, so I normally shoot a couple of deer (legally) to feed my family. We use to hunt moose to, but now that the wolves have destroyed almost all the moose there is no season on them anymore.
I once watched an elk that was maimed by wolves. They had ripped its intestines out and it ran away. The wolves never came back. It took it three days to die. I guess I would rather see someone shoot an elk and see it die in about 2 minutes and then utilize the meat.
By the way, I also have a ba and a masters degree in science. Sorry to disappoint you.....
ummm, the calso call wolf babies PUPS, not cubs. Bears have cubs, wolves have pups, and these pups grow up to killl other animals.
Leave the wolves in Alaska and Canada where they belong.

Big Sky: As far as your comment about the wolves killing all of the moose you can take that comment and shove it where the sun don't shine. There is no way the wolf has killed all those moose. If the moose are all gone it's probaly because you and your bloodthirsty hunting friends killed them all on one of your BLOOD HUNTING SPREES! You, Hunters probaly kill more deer, antelope, caribou, and moose than all of the wolves put togeather! You and Reality 22 look for any and every reason to blame everything on the poor wolf, who is already fighting to survive in your hostile world. You always try to benefit from people's natural fear of the wolf, using it to your advantage in every way possible. Well more and more people are being educated about the nature of wolves and people are seeing that they are not the fierce creatures we see them as in Movies, etc., Trust me we have public opinion on our side on this one, because the truth is out about wolves. You and Reality 22 can spread all the Lies you want about wolves but the truth is the light. And by the way Wolf Warrior is his name not Wolfie or Wolf Boy!! You say you have a BA and a Masters Degree in Science! Oh really! Believe it when I see it!!!

Non native invasive species who do a lot of damage like cattle should not be on public lands. Those public lands are for our NATIVE wildlife.

BigSky, Thanks for keeping those two at bay & putting them in their place. Donna had the audacity to mention "God" early on. Another person’s god will not be too happy with the distain and contempt she has shown here on this thread. Wolf Warrior may be the type of person that goes ballistic when S3919 or HR6028 passes. I’m thinking that authorities have enough here to take on additional time for hate crimes if they lay a finger on some law abiding hunter. (Seriously)

I’ve been working with some of the neighboring County board members to get the wording right on the resolution they are passing against wolves. I find it interesting that very few of the 37 million wolf huggers that Donna spouts about don’t seem to be pouring out of the woodwork to show any opposition to the resolutions passed in other northern counties here in Wisconsin. Well bigsky keep up the good fight…..it don’t look like Donna & Wolf Warrior have many weapons! The only thing I've seen from their writings is that they hate hunters & not very educated about wolves. “cubs” ha ha

Yeah, these hunters want to take the Natural Land used for wolves and turn it into Cattle Land. Let's exterminate the wolf and all other Predators so we can kill all the deer, antelope, caribou, moose we can, on our Blood Hunts, without competition from the wolf. Wildlife in the meantime is ruined. That's the future they want for our wildlife and natural parks. Well, it ain't going to happen as long as we have Court systems and people that care about wild life and the wolf. Where would wildlife be without wolves? ????

WRONG! Public lands are for the public. We carved out wilderness areas for animals and such, but most public lands should be used for cattle production. Let people use them, get something out of them. Thats how it works, thats the way it willl continue to work. Cattle need to be on public lands to keep the grass down and allow our residents a way to make a living.

Poor Donna, maybe if you learned to read and actually see what has happened to the moose, (and not from prowolfers, but the truth), you would see that we may lose the yellowstone moose because of wolf predation. Hunters can no longer hunt moose close to yellowstone, and that hunting was regulated. Wolves have no regulation and just kill, kill, kill, until nothing is left.

I know its sad for you folks to see the reality, but it is the reality. Don't let your wolf friends tell you different. Wolves in large numbers are destoryers of all other wildlife. We are witnessing that now around yellowstone.

What public? Not in my state, trust me Donna Johnson the wolf hugger. If someone just shoots one wolf we save 15 elk, a couple of moose, and a few of the neighbors cows. We also save these animals from a slow, painful death. They are even often eaten alive.

You are right about the education. More and more people are now seeing the truth about this experiment. We are watching forests emptied of other game, farm animals slaughtered, and people afraid to let their kids out of the house and into the yard. We have seen our dogs killed next to the house, our horses ran through fences or hamstrung. It is only a matter of time before a person is killed. It will happen, sooner or later. Once the first human casuality comes in, it will be all over for the wolf hugger societies.

Reality 22: For your information I have more brains in my little finger than you seem to have in your whole head. Furthermore, the "wolf cubs" was just a slip of the tongue. I'm sure even you have them from time to time. You say authorities have enough here for a hate crime, well you're the one with the Gun, Reality 22, and the Trigger Happy Fingers. For while you know on your killing spree of wolves, you've even shot someone, who knows. Maybe the Authorities should check you out, because as far as I see, this has been a peaceful discussion. I haven't seen anyone threaten anybody on here. So what are you talking about here??? And yes I can mention God Almighty anytime I get ready to, since he is the Creator of Everything. All creatures, great and small belong to him!! Maybe you haven't seen any support for wolves as you say because the public doesn't know about this resolution you are working on! You say
we're uneducated about wolves, seems to me you're talking about yourself and Bigsky here. You're both by far the uneducated ones!!

BigSky, whatever your name is you can say what you want to say and try and call me ignorant until you turn blue in the face. As far as I am concerned you and Reality 22 are hopeless cases and I'm tired of arguing with you both! You both have your opinions and I have mine. You can both lie on Wolves and try and Pin everything on wolves all day long. The truth will come out on Wolves as long as we have organizations around that care. You can try and conjure whatever lies you want, the law is the law and that is that! Call me names, insult me all you want, it still doesn't change anything. Oh yea, why don't you both go on a hunting trip with Sarah Palin! I'm sure you all have something in common. Killing, Shooting, torturing animals, I mean. After all none of you seem to be happy until you are shooting something!! Someone should take that Gun away from you Cowards!!!!!!

I would love to go hunting with ol Sarah and her hubby. Looks like they bring along alot of good food along to boot!

Oh, sorry for calling you a nut. My mistake. I know how that sounds to people like you......after all, it is ok for you to call me uneducated, coward, blood thirsty, (darn, I need a drink of water....), wolf hater (that one really hurts....). I sorta like the "shove it where the sun don't shine also....nice touch.

Donna, maybe get back on the meds......

Donna, I hate to bust your bubble but as I've said above even "your" experts & true wolf lovers are saying it's past the time to manage wolves.

http://www.wolf.org/wolves/news/live_news_detail.asp?id=5894
http://www.wolf.org/wolves/news/live_news_detail.asp?id=5895
http://www.wolf.org/wolves/news/live_news_detail.asp?id=5896

Please review these three web pages & tell me if they were written by wolf lovers or anti-wolf people! Are these pages a big plot on my part to infiltrate the International Wolf Center?

The longer we wait, the more damage this animal will do.... to its self & to organizations like the International Wolf Center. They know that behind the $188,000 dollars of admitted damage your high maintenance animal has done to livestock and pets mostly on private land in Wisconsin is the creation a credibility problem & animosity is building! It take a lot of dead chickens, calves , sheep, pigs, Lama, horses, dogs, goats and turkeys to come up with a total of $188,000 dollars. Do you think these livestock owners and pet owners still think highly of your wolf?? As this goes on and on it is the anti-hunter that is creating distain and animosity towards the wolf! True wolf lovers understand the limitations of the wolf.....anti-hunters like you keep pushing! Your animal is almost at the level of scum in Northern Wisconsin…. as it is elsewhere!

Donna donna donna "trigger happy" as I said above, I shot one whitetail deer this last season. & that's trigger happy???? I also, noted that I spent 250 hours in the outdoors last season & that's low for me! From deer hunting, to shed antler hunting, Ice fishing, sturgeon spearing, & Coyote hunting where I could have shot 100's of animals yet chose one! How many hours have you spent in the woods or on the lake?

Gee Reality, you must have an understanding wife, Ha Ha

Lemme see....trigger happy....hmmmm....I spent 16 hours in a blind during bow season....never got a shot although I did take some pics of a few bucks and one doe. I went hunting with a "gun" (oh oh)....lemme see my log....13 times....saw hmmmm, 14 bucks, never shot at one....the last weekend I did harvest two does. That was it for me.
I went elk hunting one weekend for two days, never fired a shot although my nephew shot a bull elk and I helped him backpack it out. I did get some meat from him. Pretty darn expensive for two days of elk hunting I might add, but at least the money goes to putting people to work.
I also spent 4 afternoons harvesting ducks with my black lab, who honestly believes his only function in life is to retrieve she loves it so much. Shame on me for not getting her out more.
I also harvested 3 pheasants and 8 grouse, all retrieved by my spoiled brittany, the house dog wanna be.
Gosh, I think I spent more time out then most biologists!
No coyotes calling yet. I did expend on shell on one 100 yards away and missed. Luckily the neighbor keeps dropping them off for me to skin. He has a knack for wacking them in the cow pasture. I am planning on making a bunch of fleece linings for hoods. Wish I could get a wolf pelt though. I would love to tan one and make a coat for my wife.....maybe when it is legal we can harvest one.....
Ice fishing is under way but I have been out only twice. -16 here this morn. A bit cold for me and I had to work. Maybe Friday night or Saturday.
Trigger happy? Naaaaaaa, just enjoying the outdoors.

Bigsky, I get outdoors enough because the wife loves the outdoors also! She likes cross country skiing in the river bottom behind the house. We just lost the 2nd of two dogs we had last year! Both lived to be 16 years old. I'm looking for a Lab that will go shed antler hunting with me...we want a younger “cub” that I can train from an early age. Shed antler hunting is part of the 250 hours. It’s a good way to get outdoors, great for the exercise it provides & the wife and kids can participate. Found about fifty of them in the last few years!

Sounds like you had a pretty good year! I love to hear from other sportsman.... I also had the opportunity to come out your way last fall & spent some time on the cousin’s ranch & bow hunted elk. We have hunted Slough Creek north of the park in the past. (you know what the wolves have done up there!!) We did get to see some nice bulls & some dandy muley bucks south of greycliff!

Looking for a lab pup, huh...hmmmm

I am breeding my female this spring. She is registered and so it the pappy (from down the street). Fella told me the blood lines are good. I already have a couple promised to give away. I would give another away to a good home. You sound like you fit the bill. If interested, let me know.

I can sell enough of them to pay for the cost of raising the little guys, so its no an issue with me. No fees to pay for breeding them either. Just whatever vet bills I have and the food.

Far as temperament and such, she is about 65-75 pounds (not overweight, although she would like to be....), my kinda duck hunter, sits and watches till sent. but not much on pheasants except to retrieve them. I am not much of a trainer, besides back yard work and hunting. Father is about the same size.