VOTE FOR HUNTING AND WILDLIFE, NOT THE NRA
Hunters, Look Beyond the End of Your Gun Barrel
"Republicans obviously believe they can win these and other western states on the gun issue alone. But I think most hunters can see beyond the end of their gun barrels."By Bill Schneider, 7-09-08
Has anybody heard that we have a big election coming up? And that in the wake of the historic Scalia opinion in the D.C. v. Heller case, gun rights might be a big issue in the campaign, especially in key western “swing states” such as Colorado, Montana and New Mexico?
Republicans obviously believe they can win these and other western states on the gun issue alone. But I think most hunters can see beyond the end of their gun barrels.
Before the ink in Scalia’s signature had dried, the NRA, which for politicians stands for National Republican Army and for hunters means Not Really an Ally, hit the airways with promises to spend $40 million to defeat Barack Obama. I’ve been criticizing for saying the National Rifle Association has “endorsed” John McCain when the nation’s largest and most powerful gun lobby only plans to spend millions to defeat his opponent. Well, pardon me if I can’t see the difference.
The primary stated reason for going after Obama? So he couldn’t appoint anti-gun justices to the Supreme Court.
Let’s dispense with the gun issue right now. Obama isn’t pro-gun, nor is he anti-gun. He’s like most of us who live here in the New West. He supports the Second Amendment but wants what he calls “common sense” guns laws, which is roughly what we have now as the law of the land. But such “common sense” talk scares gun rights activists about as much as talk of a “balanced” wilderness bill scares me.
The NRA gave Obama an “F” rating, compared to McCain’s “C+,” so nobody is going to pretend Obama will get support from those who think any gun law violates their basic freedoms. Hunters and sporting groups, on the other hand, have a lot of powerful reasons to support Obama.
Two weeks ago, I posted an article about the American Hunters and Shooters Association, the bane of the NRA because it’s not just pro-gun but unlike the NRA, also pro-hunter, when the two-year-old group broke away from the radical gun rights pack and endorsed Obama. The reason? Obama’s strong support for issues vital to the future of hunting and because he poses no threat to the individual’s right to bear arms.
So, if you’re a single-issue voter, only caring about your guns and convinced government agents will arrive soon to register or confiscate them, vote for your lesser of two evils. But if you care about issues like protecting wildlife habitat so we can have something to hunt, improving hunting access, promoting alternatives to fossil fuels, keeping roadless lands roadless, reforming the 136-year-old mining law, preventing the republicans from selling off public lands, and many other conservation issues threatening the future of hunting, you might want to, as Barack Obama has already told us thousands of times, vote for change.
Obama supports the North American Wildlife Conservation Model, the backbone of wildlife management in United States, because it proclaims that wildlife is in the public trust, not owned by private landowners. That right there should be enough for hunters support Obama, but there is a lot more.
The League of Conservation Voters, not exactly a hunting group but still the nation’s best ranking of encironmental voting records, gave Obama an unimpressive 67 percent rating. Meanwhile, McCain received a perfect score, zero.
The last eight years, under the leadership of the Emperor (aka George W. Bush) and his apprentice Darth Vader (aka Richard B. Cheney), have been an all-time low for conservationists trying to protect wild land and wildlife habitat. Along the way the numbers of hunters have continued to decline, as has the amount of huntable land.
John McCain has a moderate flair about him and definitely won’t be an arch-enemy of environmental laws, which is what we now have, but since locking up his party’s nomination, he has changed several positions to be in line with those dictated under the regime of the Emperor and Darth Vader, such as now supporting offshore drilling and flip flopping on gun show sales to cozy up to the NRA. More dues must be paid, I suspect, so we could be looking at four more years defending our environmental laws and policies that have kept our hunting tradition alive. Instead, of course, we should be moving forward, passing stronger conservation laws and regulations, which we have a much better chance of doing under President Obama.
To me, it seems like democrats will have their agenda so full with cleaning up inherited messes they won’t have time to even think about gun laws. Dems have to stave off a collapse of our health care system; get out of the Guantanamo Bay debacle; re-write our energy policy to emphasize conservation, independence and fossil fuel alternatives; improve our woeful image internationally; recover our economy from eight years of massive overspending and mismanagement; and somehow keep the Three Trillion War from becoming the Five Trillion Dollar War, which is the biggest environmental issue of them all.
With all these calamities on the docket, you think the President Obama and, hopefully, his democratic Congress will give any priority to gun laws? Not a chance.
Even without so much republican chaos to clean up, democrats probably wouldn’t pay any attention to gun laws. The gun issue has hurt democrats, and years ago party leaders took it off their agenda. Witness the Bluegreen Congress’s refusal to even vote on issues like renewing the assault weapon ban and loosening policy against allowing guns in national parks. A maverick dem might have to appease urban constituents by proposing a gun law, but more gun control won’t get any traction in Congress or the White House.
Have you ever heard a politician say he or she didn’t support the Second Amendment? I doubt it because the NRA has essentially won the gun issue, especially here in the New West where state constitutions often contain pro-gun language stronger than the Second Amendment. But the gun lobby needs to keep the fear out there to keep the membership dues and contributions flowing in and keep people writing millions of emails and letters to any politician who might say or do anything liberally interpreted as anti-gun. Hopefully, not much of that time and money comes from hunters, who should be giving it to conservation groups instead.
And back to the Supreme Court. Same question. Do you think democrats staring all these galactic challenges in the face will spend even a minute looking for anti-gun justices? Or that gun laws will even be an issue in the interviews?
Look at the current court. Republican presidents appointed seven out of the nine Supremes. Only Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer have democratic roots, both appointed by Bill Clinton, and both dissented on the D.C. v. Heller decision. But two republican appointees, two out of the four dissenters, John Paul Stevens (appointed by Gerald Ford) and David H. Souter (appointed by Father Bush) also supported the D.C. handgun ban. With half the dissenters from each party on such a landmark case, should guns even be a partisan political issue?
The NRA, incidentally, endorsed Gerald Ford, who put Stevens on the court, but stayed on the sidelines with George W.H. Bush, a NRA life member, mainly because he’d “wavered” on the issue of assault weapons. All this adds more weight to the theory that the gun issue isn’t a priority when picking the Supremes, won’t be for either McCain or Obama, and shouldn’t be for voters in this election.
While in Butte, America, for the Fourth of July, Barack Obama told the press, “There is not a sportsman or hunter who is in legal possession of firearms who has anything to fear from me.”
I happen to believe him. I hope most other hunters do, too, because we can make the difference on November 4.
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Obama isn’t pro-gun, nor is he anti-gun.
...he poses no threat to the individual’s right to bear arms.
Are you kidding? Barack Obama is most definitely anti-gun, and he absolutely poses a threat to the individual's right to keep and bear arms.
In a candidate questionnaire in 1996 he said that he is opposed to any handgun ownership. How is that not anti-gun?
He supports the reimposition and expansion of the 1994 "assault weapons" ban. How is that not anti-gun?
He voted to expand the definition of "armor-piercing ammunition" to cover almost all common rifle calibers, rendering them illegal. How is that not (practically speaking) anti-gun?
He proposes that no gun dealers be permitted within five miles of a school or park, rendering almost all of the urban and suburban area of the US and most small towns off-limits to gun stores. How is that not (again, practically speaking) anti-gun?
He was on the board of directors of the Joyce Foundation, which has a long history of funding anti-gun organizations.
And the AHSA is commonly considered an astroturf (artificial grass-roots activism) organization; it was probably created for the sole purpose of making it appear that gun owners support the democratic presidential candidate (which turned out to be Obama). They do not represent gun owners' true interests. The Brady Campaign endorses them; need more be said?
Simply mouthing the words "I support the Second Amendment" means very little, especially if it's accompanied by a "but" or "except for". Not immediately banning all guns means very little if a web of firearm-hostile "safety" laws makes it next to impossible to obtain, store, ammunition and use them. Note that he said "legal possession." The laws can be changed, and laws are not necessarily moral or right. If a law is passed that declares all .308 Winchester ammunition contraband because it will penetrate a police officer's vest, will you quietly turn in your deer rifle?
If you believe that simply because Obama does not want to take away your hunting rifle or shotgun today you can trust him, you are blind to his history and to the goals of those surrounding him.
A politician's position on firearms ownership is a telling barometer for how well - or how poorly - that politician respects individual rights and individual liberty in general. Obama is failing that test miserably. What I find difficult to believe is that someone from Montana is falling for his soothing yet ultimately empty words.
I am a target shooter and I carry for self defense, but I do not hunt. Are you truly willing to throw me and the hundreds of thousands of others like me under the bus to temporarily protect your deer rifle?
Because of Obama's hate filled associates we will vote for McCain.
Surely, you jest..?
McCain only half believes that. Not much of a choice, but like Capt. Lucky Jack Aubrey showed to Stephen, his scientific friend, he would chose the smaller of the two weevils crawling out of their hardtack, "the lesser of two weevils" as it were.
Obama wants to control both weevils. And probably ESA list them as threatened by the Royal Navy.
The real reason ships carried Marines, in times long passed, was to protect the order and integrity of ship's command from mutiny. And to be sharpshooters from the mast in times of engagement with the enemy. In society, in a democratic country, the people are allowed to keep and bear arms to protect themselves from the Government's Marines or any other resources that might be used to take their freedoms. It did take over 200 years for the Supreme Court to find for that, but they did, and all is well with the US Constitution. We are blessed. Bush the Lesser Supreme Court appointments have served us well.
So in this upcoming election, you are voting for who will appoint Supreme Court justices and who will support or deny the keeping of the Bush tax cuts. Four years of economic chaos, higher taxes, loss of constitutional freedoms and no support of the military would swing the pendulum waaaaaaaay to the right in 2012, and just for that reason, I would say Obama is going to continue his drift to the right and a chance to win in November.
Your comments certainly make any I might add totally unnecessary!
Way to go, guys!!!
Please, pile on. The more people that raise these points and make these comments coherently and politely, the less likely the comments can be easily dismissed as "fringe" or "extreme".
You have a voice, and a right - and duty - to speak out. Use it.
And Bear Bait, your comment about "four years of economic chaos" makes me reconsider my evaluation of you that I based upon some previous comments. Have you even been paying attention at all during the previous 8 years as our country has flirted with economic indicators unseen since the Great Depression?
I, and most of my extended family, were NRA life members up until the early 80's, heavily involved in hunter safety and marksmanship programs until the kooks took over, and we quit our memberships. Think I'm a liberal wacko? The current President's father, G.H.W., also quit his for the same reasons. They care more about political power than about representing the interests of sportsmen. More like those kooky militias in the 1990s in Arizona and Michagan, who wore camos, cranked up automatic weapons, and blew up homemade bombs in the desert for fun. Their was a real worry in the 90's that these folks could become the new Christian jihadis using improvised IED bombs against perceived domestic opponents. After shooting doctors, bombing abortion clinics, and even gov't buildings, that was a real fear. Seems to me that if the NRA engaged in good old moral suasion and reason instead of the politics of fear/hat, it might just be perceived better. Meanwhile, I would definitely support the AHSA as a reasonable alternative that actually supports my love of hunting sports.
- A former Reagan Democrat and multiple gun-owner who has no fear of gov't oppression except from the Right
If so, then which candidate has the strongest position?
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The Pope took a couple of days off to visit the mountains of Alaska for some sight-seeing. He was cruising along the campground in the Pope-mobile when there was a frantic commotion just at the edge of the woods.
A helpless Democrat, wearing sandals, shorts, a 'Save the Whales' hat, and a 'To Hell with Bush' T-shirt, was screaming while struggling frantically, thrashing around trying to free himself from the grasp of a 10 foot grizzly bear. As the Pope watched horrified, a group of Republican loggers came racing up. One quickly fired a .44 magnum into the bear's chest. The other two reached up and pulled the bleeding, semiconscious Democrat from the bear's grasp, then using long clubs, the three loggers finished off the bear and two of them threw it onto the bed of their truck while the third tenderly placed the injured Democrat in the back seat.
As they prepared to leave, the Pope summoned them to come over. 'I give you my blessing for your brave actions!' he told them. I heard there was a bitter hatred between Republican loggers and Democratic Environmental Activists, but now I've seen with my own eyes that this is not true.'
As the Pope drove off, one of the loggers asked his buddies 'Who was that guy?' 'It was the Pope,' another replied. 'He's in direct contact with heaven and has access to all wisdom.'
Well,' the logger said, 'he may have access to all wisdom but he sure don't know anything about bear hunting! Is the bait holding up, or do we need to go back to Massachusetts and get another one?
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Bill seems to say that the NRA is a Republican front org. As I recall the NRA has given Democrat, Brian Schweitzer, it's full endorsement, something it has withheld from Republican John McCain.
Regarding Obama and the 2nd Amendment, only after the SC decision did Obama do a back flip to endorse the individual right to keep and bear arms. It is well documented that prior to that decison that Obama supported the DC gun ban and similar support for ban laws in Ill. Sorry Bill but you seem to be spinning like a top here to obfuscate Obama's gun rights position and his lack of support for the individual right. Just my opinion.
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Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes The U.S. Senate Debated: Obama Voted:
Supporting concealed carry for citizens10 Anti-gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms11 Anti-gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned12 Anti-gun
Imposing one handgun a month restrictions13 Anti-gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks14 Anti-gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits15 Anti-gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency16 Pro-gun
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners17 Anti-gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms18 Anti-gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington, DC19 Anti-gun
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1Associated Press, "Research finds Cheney, Obama distant cousins," October 17, 2007.
2Ibid.
3O.Kay Henderson, "Three leading Democrats talk about gun control," Radio Iowa News, April 22, 2007.
4James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court to hear gun case," Chicago Tribune, November 20, 2007.
5Illinois State Senate, vote on SB 2165 (41-16), May 25, 2004.
6Obama says, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty," Chicago Tribune, February 20, 2004.
7See the Gun Owners of America fact sheet at http://www.gunowners.org/fs0404.htm.
8John Chase, "Keyes, Obama are far apart on guns; Views on assault weapons at odds," Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2004.
9Senators Chuck Schumer and John Kerry had both cosponsored S. 1431 in 2003, a bill that would have banned any semi-auto shotgun that also contained a pistol grip, which the bill defined as "a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." According to that definition, just about any semi-automatic shotgun would be banned.
10See supra note 6.
11About the so-called "assault weapons" ban, Obama says, "I believe we need to renew -- not roll back -- this common sense gun law." See supra note 8.
12See supra note 5.
13As a state senator, "Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic 'assault weapons' and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." "Obama Record May be Gold Mine for Critics," Associated Press, January 17, 2007.
14On July 28, 2005, Senator Obama voted for a provision requiring gun dealers to include the sale of a lock-up-your-safety device with every handgun sold. The amendment, offered by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI), passed by a vote of 70-30. The provision amended the gun makers' protection act (S. 397).
15On July 29, 2005, Senator Obama voted against S. 397, a bill that was designed to put an end to the frivolous lawsuits that were threatening to put many gun dealers out of business. While an argument could be made that a pro-gun Senator might vote against this bill because it contained a lock-up-your-safety provision (see supra note 14), the fact that Obama voted in favor of that trigger lock amendment (but against the overall bill) indicates his real animus against helping gun dealers protect themselves from the anti-gun lawsuits that were aimed at driving them into bankruptcy.
16On July 13, 2006, Sen. Obama voted for Emergency Powers language that saw only 16 of the most ardent anti-gun senators vote against it. The amendment provides that no money can be used by federal agents to confiscate firearms during a declared state of emergency. The amendment was added to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill (HR 5441).
17On January 18, 2007, Senator Obama voted against a pro-gun amendment to strike language in S. 1 that would infringe upon the free speech rights of groups like Gun Owners of America. The amendment, which passed, struck requirements that would have required GOA to monitor and report on its communications with its members, and could easily have led to government demands for GOA's membership list (a.k.a. registration).
18Obama has frequently made statements which indicate that he would restrict the interstate sale of firearms. For example, he told the NAACP that, "We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit." Senator Barack Obama, at the NAACP Presidential Primary Forum, July 12, 2007.
19See supra note 4.
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Oh, really? How about the hundreds of thousands of hunters, or the millions of shooters, who use their AR-15 rifles for hunting, competition, and sport shooting? These are the rifles Obama says he would support banning. He calls these hunting rifles "assault rifles" because they look like military firearms.
Sportsmen and hunters would be wise to fear this man, no matter what type of firearm they use.
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“I’m proud to have the support and endorsement of the NRA,” Schweitzer said in a press release sent from his office last week announcing the endorsement. “Gun ownership and responsibility are values that get passed down from one generation to another in Montana...”
“I urge all NRA members and Montana gun owners to vote for Governor Brian Schweitzer,” NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said. “People in Montana value their freedom, and Brian Schweitzer is the best candidate to serve them.”
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It is a VERY convenient memory, Nick D, that just happens to forget that we have a Democratic Congress with an even lower public approval rating than our Republican President. We all have good cause to be "scared for America more than anything".
Bill's statement saying "Even without so much republican chaos to clean up ..." is a blatant example of undisciplined prejudice without any consideration of what ANY president can or can NOT do without action by Congress; and, it seems to me it would be extremely difficult to substantiate that actions taken by a Democratic Congress can all be attributed to Republicans, for better OR for worse. Every politician in D.C. can stand up to be counted when it comes to our national "chaos" ... and it was *you* and *I* who put up with it, patted 'em on the back and guaranteed their job security if they funneled enough of those earmark-bucks onto our Main Streets ... remember how that works? Have you ever heard a politician come home to campaign for reelection telling us how much money he SAVED or how much WASTE he eliminated?
My comments should include the disclosure that I certainly do NOT agree with Bill's opinions as he has stated them in this article. And I certainly DO believe he takes great license when he speaks with the intent of defining what the Republicans (that he obviously loves to hate) think or say or their intent, individually or as a Party.
Since the whole article is nothing more than a Pro-Obama promotion (AKA free political advertisement for BHO), Bill also does not speak for those of us who believe a politician is a politician IS a politician regardless of Party affiliation.
Seems to me that Bill fails to recognize the vast numbers of voters who are totally disillusioned and will probably end up casting their votes independent of either Party and may well end up voting for the person who scares them the least. FEAR is apt to be a great big motivator in this election. Have you noticed how many times the "fear" word appears in the comments posted above?
In my opinion, the most FEAR on the platter are the slices being served by Bill's hero, Barack Hussein Obama.
I can not imagine that we have a whole BIG bunch of "surprises" waiting for us in the wings regarding either McCain or Clinton. Love 'em or hate 'em ... but KNOW 'em you DO. Which means that "the-knowing-thereof" might not tell us exactly how either would (or would have, in the case of Clinton) turn in any specific direction on any specific issue based on as-yet-unknown circumstances that may come to pass in the future but "the-knowing-thereof"that has come from many years of public exposure ~ even the number of fillings in their teeth ~ and should tell us a whole BIG bunch about their CHARACTER and how it was formed.
And maybe ~ just maybe ~ you might like to take a good hard look at the backgrounds of Cindy McCain vs. Michelle Obama to check out what their character might be and how it was formed ... since they will be the ones nourishing the CHARACTER of the candidate who wins this election. If that little bit of research doesn't tell you a whole big bunch about the men they married I don't know what would!!!
A lot of what we've been able to find out about BHO's character so far ~ with MUCH yet-to-be-discovered which we may or may NOT like when it comes to light ~ have come from "surprises" flung in our faces by those people Bill Zader described as his "hate filled associates". And there are certainly a whole BIG bunch of those, all shared with his wife and his children.
If you believe none of us are influenced by our past associations, both good and bad, then you are taking a stand contrary to scientific research in that regard.
When you speak of "politics of fear and hate", CommonMan, BHO and his associates set the standard. It is beyond my comprehension how ~ or WHY ~ anyone would forget that Barry Hussein spent TWENTY YEARS of his life attending a church that advertises on its own website that it is a BLACK church and its members pledge their allegiance to AFRICA ... all the while idolizing the man whose voice from the pulpit urged God to DAMN America.
We should all leave the HATE at his door and let him wallow in it alone.
But any voter who does NOT harbor FEAR about BHO and his wife ending up in the White House just isn't paying attention!
All you have to do on any given day is listen to what BHO is saying and why he is saying it ... NOW ... compared to anything and everything he's said in the past. The RECENT past is the most obvious and should be the easiest for you to remember on any given day. That list is much tooooooooooo long to itemize here and it is lengthening by the hour. Suffice it to say here that if you want him to be a raccoon today or an elk or a peacock tomorrow, you've got it!!!
Is spending more money than any other candidate EVER to BUY your vote reeeaaaallllly the "change" you want?
Anyone who buys stock in the "just like you guys in Montana" corporation needs to START their research in Chicago where his political roots were planted. Democratic Party Politics in Chicago would make an encounter with Al Capone look like a tea party for little old ladies.
PAY ATTENTION. DO YOUR RESEARCH. DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
This article is a slanted version ... or so it certainly seems to me!
In my opinion it is unwise to buy a slanted version.
YOU OWE *** YOU *** MUCH MORE THAN THAT!!!
Only the liberal Democrats believe whatever they are told so I guess fact checking is irrelevant for you and your buddies. I think you're preaching to the choir; they already share your warped reality, but please someone spare the rest of us your drivel.
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Founders / Executives
While AHSA purports to be a pro-hunting, pro-conservation and pro-gun organization, its leadership and board would qualify as a blue ribbon committee of activists who are anything but friends to the hunting, shooting sports and firearms community. Let’s take a look at who runs this “hunters and shooters” organization:
Robert Ricker (Executive Director, AHSA)
• Paid witness against the firearms industry for cases where plaintiffs attempted to hold gun manufacturers liable for the criminal misuse of their products by third parties.
• Monthly salary of $3000; AHSA claims no more than 150 members who pay $25 dues. The rest of the money comes from “individual contributions” with the largest contributors on the AHSA board of directors.
• Paid an hourly fee of $225 to $250 dollars for testimony, depositions, and meetings with the Brady Campaign.
• Consults for the Educational Fund to End Handgun Violence (the “educational” arm of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence).
• Consults with Virginians for Public Safety
(lobbying for additional restrictions on law abiding gun owners).
Ray Schoenke (President, AHSA)
• Mr. Schoenke, his wife, his daughter and son have been generous donors of anti-gun candidates including: Al Gore, Barbara Boxer, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein, Ted Kennedy, Carolyn McCarthy and John Kerry.
• Mr. Schoenke and his wife donated $10,000 to Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI) in 2000.
• Mr. Schoenke’s daughter and son each contributed $5000 to HCI in 2000.
John Rosenthal (President, AHSA Foundation)
• Rosenthal is the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the principal anti-gun group in the state of Massachusetts (credited with being the “political force behind the strict gun control laws of Massachusetts”)
• Rosenthal is a former member of the HCI board of directors, now known as the Brady Campaign.
• Rosenthal has most recently focused his energy on voicing opposition to firearms’ advertisements during sporting events
Jody Powell (Co-Chairman, AHSA Advisory Board)
• Press Secretary for one of the most anti-gun U.S. administrations, President Jimmy Carter.
Joe Vince (Board Member, AHSA)
• Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) architect of the Clinton-Gore regulatory assault on the Second Amendment.
• His company Crime Gun Solutions (CGS) employs a number of other ex-ATF officials including Gerard Nunziato, who told the Houston Chronicle that “If it wasn’t for criminals, there wouldn’t be a gun industry in this country.”
• Crime Gun Solutions provides consulting services for the lawyers at the Brady Campaign, frequently appearing as paid expert witnesses in lawsuits against the firearms industry.
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Obama's position on gun bans and gun control seems to be whatever way the wind blows among a constituency that he is seeking support. The same thing is true for his back flip on FISA. See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/09/AR2008070902055.html A politician that takes both sides of every issue and stands for nothing merits scrutiny rather than blind allegiance. Any claim that there is solid consistency in his positions doesn't pass the laugh test. I don't mind a politician changing his positions as they are reevaluated given changing circumstance. What I do mind is a politician like Obama lying through his smiling teeth that he hasn't changed. Shame on all of us when we fall for it.
Your .30-30 deer gun will penetrate soft body armor. If Obama and his ideological compatriots have their way, it will be banned. After all, who but a terrorist or gangbanger would want a weapon that would penetrate a police officer's body armor?
The Supreme Court may have finally put a cement floor in the hole that has been dug under individual firearms rights, but there is still a huge amount of work to do filling that hole back in. Many more Supreme Court cases will be needed.
Please remember that Heller won by one vote - and the majority decision had to be watered down to achieve even that. A president who says "I support the second amendment, but..." is not a president you should look to for protecting your firearms. The idea of Obama appointing two or three SC justices should make your blood run cold.
And, finally, what makes you think Obama doesn't take his orders from 2% and screw the remaining 98%? (Though perhaps he may sugar-coat it a bit more effectively than others might...)
Never lose sight of the fact that he is a career politician.
What is the AHSA position on the SF ban law?
What is Obama's position? Before the SC decision on the DC ban, Obama favored the DC ban.
If you wanted to cut trees on your own private property in California, the process is too long to be market responsive, and too costly to cut less than a quarter million dollars worth of trees. Your tree cutting has to have a certified timber/logging consultant report that will, among other things, predict the impact of your tree removal on the total canopy cover of the watershed, the percentage of trees by age over the watershed, and if your cutting reduces any of those criteria by an amount that puts the watershed in deficiency, you don't log. The result is a state afire, and a state that will stay afire for years to come as fuel loads have become untenable and unmanageable by current legal means. Heritage forests are being lost, the latest is the Paiute Fire NE of Bakersfield.
The gun control measures are as ineffective at protecting citizens as anywhere in the U.S. Oakland, CA, pop. 400,000, has had over 70 homicides so far this year, 121 last year, and over 700 since the U.S. went to war after the TwinTowers attack 9/11. Only 665 people were wounded by gunfire last year in Oakland and lived. It is a war zone. And to compare Oakland with warfare in the middle East, no soldiers, sailors, or airmen from Oakland, Richmond, Daly City, have been killed in the mid East, but nearly a thousand citizens have been murdered in those combined cities, and thousands more injured by gunfire. The left, evidently, prefers to keep warfare at home.
The real war you should think about in the U.S. is the one being waged daily on our urban streets and neighborhoods. In Oakland, the public official corruption is so rife that Mayor Ron Dellums, once the most liberal leftie in Congress, is having a tough time getting control of his bureaus, stuffed with political hacks of the left at great cost to the taxpayers, and useless except for getting rich themselves. Calling his governance ineffective would be a complement.
One of the Democrats who has been the most dogged of environmental advocates and "protector" of all that land now afire, has been Democrat Representative George Miller, who has the combat zone of Richmond smack dab in the middle of his District, tucked in among the oil refineries. The University of Oregon recruits there, and has lost a recruit to street murder and injury before he ever get to enroll in Eugene.
So if San Francisco resident, representative to Congress, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is helpless and hopeless to keep her constituents and those of her fellow travelers in Oakland, Richmond, and Daly City from killing at will, on a daily basis, with strict gun control, do we really want their experience in our future? Do we want their land ethic, quickly becoming one of charcoal, free standing fire places without houses, bicycle frames melted into washer and dryer frames in some sort of pyro-sculpture? This is what the Democrat leadership, and by inference, their candidates for office around the Nation, want for us. This is their Preferred Alternative. They want us to change to be like California. I don't like that offer.
If you want a policy analysis of the left, and the far left, and the "change" that is being offered, just go to California and see for yourself on the ground what their idea of a democracy produces for results. You can expound on theory, on what could be, at length. But known, illustrated, explicit results are proof that their pudding is not what the makers say it is.
So, far this campaign is one of empty promise, hopeful prose, and a path that is known to be destructive and unworkable. Gun control issues, just adjudicated by the Supreme Court, should be simple to understand, and all legal challenges are window dressing for bad ideas and the devolving of our Constitutional rights. As to public land management, the 9th Circuit has ruled that the USFS has a right to manage land for muliple use, not just a single use to protect one plant or animal. Perhaps some fuel reductions might take place without court direction and oversight, the Green Enviro Left NGOs no longer in control. There is hope at last for some sort of sanity in some areas, now that the law has been explicitly ruled on from the bench. The Judicial Branch is working, and that is all that is keeping us afloat in these United States of America. As long as we have the rule of law, neither candidate or party can run the ship of state so hard aground that we cannot refloat it.
PART I:
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"He's willing to change positions, break campaign commitments and undermine his own words in his quest for higher office" ~ as voiced in The Press today re BHO, who was among the 69 senators who voted "yes" on final passage of the surveillance bill.
BHO, D/Illinois, had opposed the immunity provision in earlier versions of the wiretapping bill, a rewrite of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
The bill's 28 opponents included numerous prominent Democrats, including Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York; Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada; Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois; and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, a former presidential candidate now considered a leading contender to share the ticket with Obama.
Obama's statement dated Dec. 17, 2007, asserted that he "unequivocally opposes giving retroactive immunity to telecommunications companies" and would support a filibuster to stop the bill from passing.
PART II:
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It's too-bad-so-sad even for the Democratic Party itself! At least that's the message from the Democrats who say TODAY they have to develop a "hybrid model" for coordinating what's expected to be a massive push in Colorado by BHO with the state's other key campaigns, including those for U.S. Senate and Congress.
While those federal campaigns are typically coordinated under a single umbrella, this year, there will be two parallel organizations.
Did you reeeeeaaaaly think BHO would either "share" or loose total control over that $300 MILLION that he expects to raise FOR HIS PERSONAL BENEFIT during the general election? Nope. Ain't a'gonna happen! A combination of national and state party leaders will control the "hybrid" leftovers for the other key campaigns.
Go figure, huh ...
And then there IS also a ***** PART III ***** that you should know about ... just in case you think YOU can depend upon anything BHO tells YOU ... and I quote from a published report:
"It was all part of a careful arrangement: Democrat Barack Obama would get fundraising help from his erstwhile rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, in exchange for his help retiring about $10 million of her campaign debt.
"But Obama momentarily forgot his part of the deal at a major New York fundraiser Wednesday night, forcing him to retake the stage after he had concluded the event and said goodnight to the audience.
"The Illinois senator spoke to about 1,000 donors in a Manhattan ballroom, all of whom had paid at least $1,000 to attend. Many were Clinton supporters until she dropped out of the race last month.
"Obama praised the former first lady as tough and smart. 'She wore me out,' he said to laughs.
"The Democratic nominee-in-waiting then wrapped up his speech and thanked the audience, moving to shake hands along a rope line. After a minute or so, the music was cut short and Obama returned to the stage.
" 'This is not the speech part, but it is important,' he said sheepishly, urging the group to reassemble.
" 'Senator Clinton still has some debt, and I could have had some debt if I hadn't won. So I know the drill,' Obama said, encouraging donors to use the forms under their seats to make a contribution to help her.
" 'It's very important to us, and obviously Senator Clinton will be grateful as well, ' Obama said.
"Things went a bit more smoothly a few blocks down Park Avenue, where Clinton introduced Obama at a smaller fundraiser that netted about $4.1 million for the joint Obama/Democratic National Committee Victory Fund.
" 'Whatever brings us here tonight I hope is understood to be not only unifying but transcendent,' Clinton told the 125 major donors.
Obama, in turn, echoed Clinton's call for unity.
" 'With just half a wing this bird can't fly,' he said.
"The two flew together to New York from Washington for the fundraising swing and were to appear together at a breakfast Thursday morning. An event to help Clinton with her campaign debt was canceled because of Senate votes in Washington."
Whenever YOU think that YOU matter
Read these words, above,
With special notice of the DOLLAR
SIGNS that get his "LOVE".
"With .. half a wing this bird can't fly" ...
... but then he kills "the bird"?
REMEMBER THIS IF *YOU* BELIEVE
A SINGLE WORD YOU'VE HEARD.
Glad you weighed in here. Bill should be proud, he's famous now.
Obama's pretty much an anti. Being on the board of the Joyce foundation is rather indicative, given they are one of the biggest single anti-gun spenders.
Never mind that his white-priest buddy, forgot his name, was with Jesseeeee Hymietown Jacksonnnnnn protesting an Illinois gun manufacturer last year, not THIS year tho, too uncool.
Fact is, if Obama becomes president, he will sign any gun-restriction bill Congress tosses on his desk. As for his Butte sound bite, that's a lie. Maybe we need not fear Obama directly -- he's not going to be the one knocking on doors saying "Hand them over."
But I have plenty of firearms that I acquired legally that I have no intention of relinquishing until I am dang good and ready. And the thought of having to decide whether I should comply with the commands of a minion with a badge scares me pretty good.
What a bummer...my slogan for 2008 is going to be....
gulp...
Vote McCain -- He Sucks Less.
The priest's name is Mike "Snuffy" Pfleger. See the following for lots of coverage of his antics:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&q=snuffy+site:waronguns.blogspot.com
And you might want to get one of these bumper stickers:
http://freedomsight.net/?page_id=2523
Listen to his latest ad where he talks about all of his training and how he could have gotten a high paying job, but didn't. Then think about how he is paying for a house costing more than a million dollars on that low income.
john hardin raises some good points but i would have to say that i trust change a lot more than "more of the same mcCain". you don't stay the course when you're headed for an iceberg with the hammer down. i would like the wheel tweaked ever so gently a little to the left rather than sheer the hull of the ship of state in two.
it would be nice to be able to vote for Abraham Lincoln but he's not available so i will take my chances with change. and in answer to the fact that obama is a career politician i was not aware that mr McCain was anything but.
I never suggested McCain was not a career politician too, I was merely reminding that Obama's speeches and positions and promises must be viewed in that light. Too many people seem to be treating him as a messiah and not considering what he says critically.
i would like the wheel tweaked ever so gently a little to the left rather than sheer the hull of the ship of state in two.
A lot of people feel that tweaking the wheel of our ship of state any further to the left will result in it being sheared in two...
I'm deliberately overstating a bit here, indulging in a bit of "straw-man" arguement to make a point. Getting past the bullshit ad hominem, chest thumping, and character assassination by some here.. does anyone REALLY believe that the BATF swat team is going to break down their doors to take their .30-.30? Of course the pols will play to the crowd; they want to be elected. But on the legislative floor, usually more commonsense law-making prevails, such as background checks and waiting periods, and not allowing someone to sell their "bazooka" to someone looking like the proverbial Far Side cartoon character.
Come this November, perhaps we'll finally toss the fearmongers who appeal with crap like "Barack Hussein O'Bama", and put pragmatic pols back into office. I have news for you boyz. If you come from Northern Kenya, there is about a 60% chance you are Moslem, particularly the sect called Ismailis who are generally pretty hospitable and spiritual people. Certainly more so than the SWPOs (Southern White Protestant Organinzations) headlined by such wonderboys as the late Jerry Falwell. So if Barack's pappa came from there, then its better than the Deep South IMHO.
Following that, then maybe we can also take back the NRA and return it to its rightful place as an organization for the hunting and markmanship sports. Then we would not need orgs such as AHSA.
The 2nd Amendment never has been and never should be about hunting. It is about the capability to kill another human who is trying to take your life, liberty, and property. The NRA, unlike the AHSA does not. Secondly, Barrack does not care one bit about hunting. And no one in the NRA ever said anyhting about owning a bazooka.
Then why do they have such close ties to the Brady Campaign and other actively handgun-hostile organizations? How does working to limit the public's right to bear arms in self defense help promote hunting? Or perhaps the AHSA might be working to split hunters away from other gun owners in an effort to divide and conquer...
does anyone REALLY believe that the BATF swat team is going to break down their doors to take their .30-.30?
These days, I'm more worried about SWAT teams breaking down my door and killing my pets because they got the address wrong.
But, as I said before, I don't hunt. I carry for self-defense and I own an EBR. Are you willing to throw me under the bus just to keep your .30-30 safe a little while longer? I would not be willing to throw you and your .30-30 under the bus were our positions reversed.
You will sing a different tune when Obama, who is clearly anti-gun, appoints more activist judges to the bench. It DOES matter to a lot of gun owners and those who ever intend to buy one. It is not a manufactured issue, it is based on the pro gun control and anti-sentiment expressed by Obama and by his voting record. Obama is on the wrong side of this issue and it is certainly a valid issue that is clearly different than the GOP and John McCain. Obama supported the gun ban in D.C., despite what the U.S. Constitution clearly said and has been ruled on by the Supreme Court. Same with Chicago. It DOES matter when someone favors gun control at the expense of the 2nd amendment and the constitutions of most of the states, and when firearm carry laws in some 40 states out of 50 are now the law, which he also opposes. Sorry, this IS an issue and voters will respond if it is important to them. You seem to look at it as a non-issue, or otherwise not very important. In a republic, it is extremely important. We do NOT need politicians or activist justices substituting their agenda for common sense and the U.S. Constitution. As a leaning libertarian, you, of all people, should know that!
Hunters know Democrats are liars on this issue.
They say one thing, then they Baucus and Clinton us.
LIARS.
Obama will be no different. He's a Second Amendment-hating gun grabber, just like Pelosi.
Obama does not agree with you. Why can't you see this?
... as an independent with libertarian leanings i would be one of the first to defend your right.
How could anyone with "libertarian leanings" possibly support a collectivist nanny-stater like Obama?
... we need a guy with a little more upstairs who has less conniving friends to worry about.
Obama is a much better orator than McCain, but it remains to be seen how much he actually has upstairs. And if you're not worried about the people surrounding Obama then you're insane.
Our gun rights and our safety are the most important things I can think of and both rely on a sensible SCOTUS.
1. Gun rights advocates have won the war. Neither party will make any serious effort to weaken gun rights we now enjoy because it's just not politically smart.
2. Hunters should not base their vote on the gun issue. Instead they should vote for the candidate who will do the most to preserve and enhance hunting by supporting efforts to protect wildlife habitat and hunting access, especially on public lands.
Bill
I wish I was as confident about that as you are.
Have you seen the Democratic Party's draft platform? They wish to close the "gun show loophole" and reinstate the "assault weapons" ban.
http://www.workinglife.org/storage/users/4/4/images/111/2008democraticplatform080808.pdf
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
-- Thomas Jefferson
I must disagree with you assessment. Gun rights and sportsman access rights are inseparable given the attacks on both. A politician like Obama doesn't have to declare his position. The "tea leaves" of his appointments concern me. Administrative law and regulations can accomplish much to the detriment of both gun rights and hunters. Clinton appointments, I believe, brought us the lunacy of declaring game carts as unlawful mechanical devices in wilderness and proposed wilderness areas. I would expect the same from Obama.
Did you watch the debate tonight, McCain did very very well.
I respectfully disagree that neither party would weaken gun rights. Mostly Democratic big cities mayors continue to repackage regulations that have the effect of denying 2nd amendment rights to their residents. That is STILL happening in D.C., NYC, Chicago and San Francisco. Bloomberg tried to keep the opposing side from even bringing up the 2nd amendment in court. Those are outrageous violations of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. You are right that this type of activity might be costly at the polls, but that does not keep fools from making such regulations and ordinances. The decision and order in DC v Heller was a good first step, but that certainly did not end the activist gun control politicians and groups. Perhaps the two most important and long-lasting decisions any President must make are those as his role as Commander-in-Chief, and the nomination of Supreme Court Justices to serve on the U.S. Supreme Court. If you do not think that important, just look at the split of 5:4 on D.C. v Heller. Americans need to understand fully that no matter the political expediency, and no matter what the U.S. Constitution says, there are politicians and groups that have as their goal the total removal of firearms from individuals in our republic. If hunters and those who just enjoy shooting, or use firearms for self-defense and that of their family, if you do not oppose them, you will lose your basic, natural, individual Constitutional guarantee to keep and bear arms. The idea that neither party would weaken gun rights is false. It is a fight that you and I will have to take on, and our children, and their children, ...
He did. And then when the USSC pulled the rug out from under him, rather than saying "I was wrong", he blamed a subordinate for "an inartful comment".
Has Obama ever admitted to being wrong in anything? (That's an honest question - I haven't been paying attention for that particular nuance.)
I agree that the D.C v. Heller decision was a big step forward, but another point that I tried to make in the column was Supreme Court appointees don't work out as planned. Keep in mind that two of the four diseenters in D.C. v. Heller were appointed by republican presidents. I persist in thinking we as hunters should concentrate on more important issues than gun rights because political reality will prevent any serious consideration of gun legislation by Congress. Witness the reauthorization of the assault weapon ban inroduced last year; it went nowhere, no hearing, no vote, and this is a Blue Congress. Ditto for Supreme Court appointees; attitudes on guns won't be a big issue in selection by either party. I agree there will always be maverick mayors and city councils doing weird things, but we're talking about the presidential election in this string.
Bill
When it comes to being "smart", responding to an open ended question of that nature, one that is a judgement call, native and book intelligence is probably something Obama ought to leave alone unless Obama has had a sneak peak at SAT scores, college grades, IQ testing. My guess is that Justice Thomas is no dummy. Quite the contrary. So Obama must have another agenda for Justice Thomas, who was not born with a silver foot in his mouth as Obama is loathe to recognize in himself. Obama did not live a life of poverty and want......(with no apology to the late Ann Richards, ex Democrat Texas Gov.)....as Thomas did. And Thomas has been the boot strap kind of guy as opposed to the golden boy with very supportive white grandparents with money who supported Obama. Bellvue, Washington, Punahou School in Hawaii, those are not low income deals. That is way upper middle class with money country.
The best thing about these pre-ordained nominations is that they leave so much time for the candidate to not only place the foot in the oral cavity, but time enough to ingest it fully, and more than once.
The next best question for R's to ask candidates Obama and McCain, is how he will/will not make the error Clinton did in kicking Russia when it was down (bombing Belgrade, the Serbian capital) at a time there was a matter of internal jihad by muslim mujahadeen back from running Russia out of Afghanistan. Muslims in the Balkans in the late '90s decided that once again, ethnic Orthodox Serbs (culturally allied with Russia) were fair game for murder and ethnic cleansing. Only this time, Serbs were not going to let islamists murder them wholesale as happened in WWII under the Croatian Catholic/Nazi/Sword of Allah alliance that murdered viciously, a million or MORE Serbs, 80,000 Jews, and 45,000 Romany (Gypsies), and nobody was tried in postwar war crimes trials. The priests just disappeared into South America along with Nazi figures, and Croatia was purged of Serbs and is now the most ethnically pure country in Europe. That they wanted the same for Bosnia is never mentioned. So Gen. Leslie Clark, Billy Clinton, Ms. Albright, Brahmin Holbrook, bombed Belgrade when the Russians could not respond, and Europe was quite content to let the Serbs clean their own house of terrorists. The US bombed Serbia into submission. But Putin did not forget that humiliation. And this time, when ethnic Russians, Russian speaking people, were under threat in Georgia, he came to their rescue, and did so with a grand display of intent and might. It was a clear, concise gesture to the West to mind their own bees wax.
Clinton Democrat foreign policy idiocy set this deal up, and Clinton benign neglect let the other Obama get away, gain power, and Bush has not been up to the task of beating enemies offshore and in the State Department, and Putin just gave him the finger. Up yours, Bush. It is the same gesture our own State Department has exhibited more than once to Bush. Putin's action, the Monroe Doctrine of the Caucasus, is real, to be expected, and the US had better figure out that Russia is a place where history says that when the West goes to war, millions of Russians die. A bit of home grown paranoia is to be expected. Let the little guy puff and strut. And do what he might in his area of influence. And the US stay in our area of influence. Vote for either candidate, but make sure they both know to stay out of Russian affairs in an area of the world we are not about.
And someday, America ought to apologize to the Serbs, who wanted in the worst way to be Western, to a part of the West, to live without the internal threat of islamic murder. It was the Serb communist underground that rescued countless Allied airmen in WWII and got them safely to the Allies at great risk and certain death. When we would not protect them from Islamic radicals in the Balkans, and they took the eye for an eye approach, we condemned them for genocide all the while ignoring that it was they, the Orthodox Serbs, the Jews of the Balkans, the Gypsies, who had been the victims of genocide and the West did nothing, and the compliant Catholic church did nothing, and the muslim Caliphs and Imans did nothing. History repeats itself, and you just witnessed it. Islamists have not retreated from the killing of infidels as matter of religious right, and Orthodox Russians and Serbs are not going to allow that to happen if they possibly can stop it.
One section that caught my eye was callinging any firearm with a caliber greater than 50 an assault weapon, and therefore illegal. That would rule out just about any shotgun larger than a 410. Also, what's wrong with a semi-auto shotgun with a pistol grip that many turkey hunters use?
If this is a matter of extreme ignorance or intention, the result is the same for gun owners and hunters. Why we should expect Obama to do anything different given his record just doesn't wash with me.
If hunters do as you suggest and concentrate on hunting and not gun rights, you could very well lose even your hunting rights. Pelosi said she would support a vote in the House on the D.C. gun ban case in mid-September. I would suggest this IS of importance to anyone who owns a firearm. By the time Obama signed legislation to ban half the rifles you hunt with, you might feel differently. So Congress IS going to have to address the firearm laws, starting with D.C. I think Congress and various groups WILL be making important decisions (or not) on firearm laws, and they will affect every state in the U.S. A large part of the "gun control" measures are through the back door, like Mayor Bloomberg is doing in N.Y. The time to nip this in the bud is WHILE you are considering your man for President. Whoever is elected will likely nominate at least two and probably THREE Supreme Court Justices. Take that as a chance to stack the court with what the President thinks will be a very liberal judge and you just wait and see if you do not get an anti-gun, "living Constitution" judge with Obama. You are right that the best laid plans of mice and men sometimes go awry. Justices might not always turn out the way you think they will. However, you have a lot of experience and decisions made by these judges and in nomination, their judicial views will be probed on everything from Roe v Wade to DC v Heller. I maintain that if you just consider only the narrow views of hunters, without considering other shooting sports, competition, self-defense in the home and car, and what the 2nd amendment means, you might get left in the dust. I maintain that Presidents' views on firearms, hunting and self-defense will not only be part of where they are coming from, it will determine legislation and appointments they make along the line. My sense is that these decisions will ultimately affect all people in the U.S. Your thoughts on this matter, matter, and your vote will count. Please made it an informed decision as to which candidate you think will be best for support of personal ownership of firearms, hunting and camping, target shooting, competitive shooting, self-defense and defense of family in your home and NOT support extreme forms of gun control and restriction of basic, natural 2nd amendment guarantees.
That being said, keep in mind in the 5-4 decision that two of the 5 justices were opposed by Obama. I have no doubt in my mind that Obama blessed legislation, administrative appointees and judicial nominations would be a disaster for both gun owners and hunters.
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Survey finds hunters, anglers favor John McCain
2:27 PM, August 21, 2008
A survey has found that John McCain holds a considerable lead over Barack Obama in the race to become president — among hunters and fishermen.
Given that there are an estimated 40 million hunters and fishermen of voting age in the United States, there’s some significance to their thinking and it may have helped the current president win two terms.
We all know what happened during the second term: the vice president, on one of his hunting trips, accidentally filled a fellow hunter full of birdshot.
But that’s beside the point. The point is, many Americans consider hunting and fishing — and certainly their right to own guns — part of their heritage and prefer a leader who cherishes those same values and would be inclined to protect those values in an era in which they’re being increasingly threatened.
The survey, conducted by Braun Research, polled 1,009 sportsmen of which 45% said they’d vote for McCain, while 31% tilted toward Obama.
Asked whom they’d rather hunt with, 49% said McCain, 27% answered Obama. As a fishing partner, 44% favored McCain over Obama (31%).
“They’re just not sure how much fun Barack Obama would be in a duck blind,” said Steve Sanetti, president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, which helped underwrite the survey.
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Obama wont take away the duck hunters shotgun, HE WILL take away my semi auto ar-15 or my handgun.
The left is FIXATED on taking away these weapons and if anyone thinks for a second that he will not do this they are not in full command of their mental facilities.
If I like to go out on the weekends and shoot at targets with an AK47 or an AR15, I AM NO THREAT to anyone.. so why does Obama see people like us as threats?
If we believe the cooked polls, the term "gun rights" will mean whatever Hollywood (Obama) wants it to mean.
He will control the Executive.
He will control the Legislative.
He wil control the Judicial.
Pass a law that says the Second Amendment means you can't have anything but a musket, a single-shot black powder rifle.
Hussein signs it. It's a law. Challenge its constitutionality.
Where are you going to go?
Obama's pet Supreme Court. And you'll lose.
Where will you protest?
Obama's pet media?
You are living in a liberal fascist state, people.
The coronation's a mere formality.
Why does Obama want your guns? Because when some manufactured crisis comes up, like Biden has been blathering about, he'll have an excuse to CONFISCATE and you won't have the means to resist his tyranny.
I would shout "wake up," but it's too late.
You've tolerated yourselves out of existence.
I think those are the scariest words uttered by this man.
> For the last time, the 2nd is NOT about duck hunting.
> Its about the LEGAL RIGHT to own whatever firearm
> (excluding full auto) we choose.
Why, pray tell, do you exclude full auto? That is just as unjustified a distinction about types of protected arms as saying "it only protects deer rifles" or "it only protects O/U break-action shotguns", or "it only protects muskets".
The words "except for" appear nowhere in the 2nd Amendment.
The only justifiable restriction to keeping and bearing arms under the 2nd Amendment is to remove the Right to keep and bear *any* arms from a specific individual citizen after due process of law as punishment for the commission of a serious crime. The 2nd makes no provision for prohibition of *any* particular class of arm whatsoever from the general populace.
The only vaguely reasonable argument you could make for classes of protected arms under the 2nd would be that it protects those arms that are useful to an effective militia - which would lead it to provide *stronger* protection for full-auto arms than it does for deer rifles and duck guns.
If we let the left convince us that some kinds of arms are eeeevil and aren't free from restriction and anybody who thinks otherwise is some kind of homicidal nutcase, then they've already won half the battle. Don't give them that victory.
Don't let the nose of that camel into the tent. Because they *will* work their way down to your deer (sniper) rifles and duck (street-sweeper) shotguns. It has happened before elsewhere (England and Australia most recently) - don't enable it happening here.