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Studio Spotlight: Bikram Yoga with Lora Gustafson
By Brooke Hewes, 1-25-08
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26 postures. 105 degrees. 90 minutes. Oh, and it just might “change your life.”
These are some of the trademarks of the L.A.-based Bikram Yoga. Life changing or not, few can argue against the practice’s intensity. Intense heat, intense stretching, intense instruction. (The teacher speaks throughout most of the hour and a half class.) And Lora Gustafson, the new owner of Bikram Missoula, would add that the practice is also intensely purifying.
Indeed, the super high heat makes you super sweaty. Reared an East Coast gal, this was a strong selling point—I was immediately smitten with the sweltering humidity otherwise aberrant in western Montana. And though I have since stepped away from the practice to pursue others, I still appreciate the sequence for sparking what has become an enduring passion for yoga—a passion that Lora hopes this weekend’s Open House will ignite for other Missoulians.
In our interview, Lora chats about her recent move from Phoenix, Saturday’s festivities and other aspects of the unique brand of yoga that has garnered her attention for the last eight years.
New West: How is Bikram Yoga different than other types of yoga one typically finds at a Hatha Yoga studio?
Lora Gustafson: Bikram yoga is practiced in a hot room. It is 26 postures and 2 breathing exercises. It is a beginning yoga that can be practiced safely by almost anyone. You work at your own level. The class is the same sequence ever time so you receive cumulative medical benefit over a shorter period of time.
NW: Why 26 postures?
LG: After years of prescribing specific posture to people in India as yoga therapy, Bikram wanted to find a faster more efficient way to treat more people in one day. Bikram found that the 26 postures in this specific order provided the most medical and therapeutic benefit to anyone doing the class.
Author’s Note: Bikram Choudhury is the founder of the Yoga College of India. Since age 4, Bikram practiced under “renowned physical culturist” Bishnu Ghosh in Calcutta, India. As an adult, he set up successful studios across India and around the world before establishing the “Bikram’s College of India World Headquarters” in Los Angeles. Because aspects of this business are protected under copyright, all Bikram Yoga instructors must be certified by the college to teach. (Bikram’s copyright and trademark claims have been legally and ethically contested by many.)
NW: Why is the room heated to 105 degrees? And is there any way to practice the sequence without a heated room, like at home?
LG: The heat is there for many reasons. The two main reasons are: 1) to keep the muscles warm so you can stretch deeply and safely without ripping, tearing, pulling or straining; and 2) to sweat – the skin is the largest organ of detoxification. Sweating helps purify your body by flushing out toxins. There is more detail about the heat on our website at bikrammissoula.com.
If you want to practice at home I recommend using Bikram’s CD. Practice in a room you can heat up with space heaters. If your bathroom is big enough, it holds heat well and you can also use the shower to add humidity.
NW: All Bikram’s teachers have to complete a three-month training in LA. What was that like? How many people participated?
LG: Teacher training is like having an entire year squeezed into 9 weeks. It was fun, hard, good, bad, exhausting, and very educational. I loved it. My training involved 226 people who are now some of my closest friends.
NW: Bikram Choudhury has gotten flak about making so much money off trademarking his yoga and charging studios for using his name. What is your perspective on this issue? Do you think that this focus on money and name recognition (and ownership within a tradition that dates some 4,000 years) contradicts yogic philosophy?
LG: Bikram makes money from teacher training just like any other yoga. Bikram does not charge the studios a penny for the use of his name, logos, information, or many other materials. There is a large amount of incorrect information about Bikram out that has been generated by people who don’t practice Bikram yoga and who don’t know him.
“Yoga ownership” - Bikram has not claimed to own these 26 postures. He has a copyright on the dialog that Bikram teachers use. It is like protecting a script or a song. I do get upset when I find out a non-Bikram certified instructor is using his dialog. His interest in keeping non-certified instructors from teaching it is about safety and keeping the yoga pure to its lineage.
NW: You recently moved to Missoula from Arizona. What attracted you to this community?
LG: I saw an opportunity to do what I love in a beautiful place.
NW: Can you talk about the upcoming Open House and the infamous 60-day challenge the studio is promoting?
LG: The Open House is an opportunity for people to come in and find out more about Bikram yoga. All of the teachers will be there to answer questions. There will be class at 9am and 4pm. Both classes will be free. It is great way to see if Bikram yoga is for you.
The 60 day challenge is 60 classes in 60 days. It is 60 days to a new mind, new body, and new life.
NW: Is Bikram Yoga appropriate for all levels of asana practitioners? What about folks with injuries — are the heat and sequence safe for people with back or knee pain?
LG: Bikram is a beginning yoga. All levels are always welcome. We have new people and veteran practitioners together in almost every class.
The heat is incredibly healing. Many Bikram students have worked through serious injuries to the spine, shoulder injuries, car accident side effects, and knee surgeries using this series. This is the perfect place for people who are injured to heal and rehabilitate joint and tendon issues. The key is to listen to the instructor, concentrate on form and never worry about depth.
You can find Bikram Missoula at 211 North Higgins Ave, #4C or online at www.bikrammissoula.com. Call 541-9292 with any questions about this weekend’s Open House or about the studio in general.
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http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-06-28-yoga-usat_x.htm
http://www.boingboing.net/2003/04/05/hot-sweaty-scandalou.html
Choudhury, 56, is a yoga guru so brash that he has been known to compare himself to Superman and Buddha, teach from a throne wearing nothing but a tiny Speedo and a headset mike, and proclaim his style as "the only yoga." When asked how he could make such drastic statements, he told Business 2.0 magazine: "Because I have balls like atom bombs, two of them, 100 megatons each. Nobody fucks with me."
http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2003/04/04/bikram/index.html
Frankly, I wouldn't take my spiritual or physical cues from an asshat like this if you PAID me.
Meaning Bikram, of course.. I'm sure Lora Gustafson is a lovely lady.
Here is the Feuerstein quote I am referring to, which I incorporated in an earlier article:http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/hatha_yoga_the_forceful_tradition/C528/L40/
“People professing to practice yoga ought to know at least the essentials of yoga’s history and philosophy,” says Feuerstein. “Context is crucial to meaning, and meaning is crucial to practice. If someone merely wants to adopt some of the yogic postures without having any interest in its spiritual goals, in that case, one should not claim to be practicing yoga.”
What next? Are we going to have to pay Bikram a royalty every time we want to do a sun salutation?
There are only 12 notes in music.... TWELVE. However, musicians have been using those 12 notes for as many years as yoga has been around organizing them into melodies, harmonies and rhythm. This is what makes them "copyrightable". Similarly, Bikram has organized some very old postures into a certain and very specific order with a certain dialogue and has copyrighted the same. Big deal! He has NOT copyrighted Yoga at all and it is incredibly disingenuous to claim that he has!!
Holotone - what is wrong with someone wearing a speedo and a headset mic? You say this about him in a disparaging way imparting a strong sense of judgment. Does that "fly in the face of yoga's spirit and ethics"? I believe it does so be careful about being the pot calling the kettle black. Do not worry... nobody is going to offer to pay you to do Bikram yoga or any other style of yoga. It is up to you to change your life for the better.
I would agree that Bikram is a controversial character with quotes attributed to him regarding his testicles and such. However, you can judge him for not living up your idea of what a yoga teacher should be or you can just live and let live. We all can choose our own path. Bikram cannot and will not be charging you a fee for performing a sun salutation!
Brooke - I regret that you found Bikram Yoga to be "jarring and intrusive". I am not sure what you mean by this but it is a shame. If Bikram's style does not live up to your spiritual goals that is fine (choose a different path) but I have a hard time understanding how the style could be characterized as "jarring, etc.... ". Are you referring to the social environment or the practice itself? If it is the former I can say I have felt a very warm welcome at every class I have ever attended. I have also seen a great amount of compassion and encouragement demonstrated for those who are first starting out. If it is the latter I do not know what to say. The practice is certainly not physically jarring low impact as it is and I cannot figure out how it could be called instrusive.
Whatever your thoughts and feelings... find a yoga class and go... any class... it will make your life better.
"Bikram has organized some very old postures into a certain and very specific order with a certain dialogue and has copyrighted the same. Big deal!"
If it doesn't bother you that Bikram is one of the only people in the world brash enough to copyright physical movements and then actually sue people who dare move in "HIS" way, then I can see how this would seem like no big deal to you.
I, on the other hand, value the health of my culture, which is seriously threatened by intellectual property trolls like Bikram.
Like I said, if he and US IP law find it this behavior appropriate, what's to stop him from copyrighting sun salutations or the vinyasa flow?
Bikram's actions are nothing short of an attack on our basic right of dominion over our own bodies - If you value personal liberty and the health of our culture, do not support this madness, financially or otherwise!
I challenge you to find me someone who, before Bikram, organized these 26 specific postures into the precise order he has coupled with the precise dialogue he uses. You will not find anyone who has done this. Why? Because he organized it this way and came up with the dialogue that is used in his class. THAT is what he “created” and copyrighted. This is why he cannot copyright the Vinyasa flow any more than he can a sun salutation. He didn’t create them! I very much enjoy his control over Bikram studios because I know that I can go to any Bikram studio in the world (and they are all over the world) and have the same wonderful and familiar experience that leaves me feeling light as a feather and strong as an Ox after class.
I did not get into yoga because I needed some kind of spiritual awakening. You can fault me for that if you wish but that is just how it is in my case. In fact, for years I operated under the impression that yoga was just a bunch of people sitting around in a room dressed for a workout but not really working out... instead they would be chanting, doing some light stretching and talking about chakras, etc. Of course, my impression was very wrong not just about Bikram yoga but many forms of yoga. Regardless, I was looking for a great workout that would help me lose weight and gain strength and flexibility. That is exactly what I found in Bikram Yoga and I will continue supporting this practice in every way possible until I am dead. Thanks to Bikram Yoga and my decision to practice I will be around for a long time lest I fall victim to some kind of accident, etc. I am proud to tell you that I have successfully encouraged numerous people to begin taking Bikram Yoga and, for most, it has had a significant and positive impact on their lives. You call this “madness”?! Please. Take a class and see for yourself.
By the way, exactly what “culture” of yours is being threatened here? Are you talking about American culture?
I hope it is not the case but it feels to me like you have a bit of latent resentment towards Bikram. I cannot imagine why unless it is based in a misunderstanding of what it actually is that Bikram has attempted to copyright (similar to holotone). Music is every bit as ancient as yoga and yet nobody has a problem with anyone copyrighting the organization of a mere 12 notes into a certain order! Your resentment of Bikram seems evidenced by your willingness to dignify holotone's venomous comments with not only a response but one that is empathetic to his anger. Holotone is way out of line here and if anyone wears their ass as a hat it is him for being so judgmental when he does not even really understand the facts.
That is in fact a very poor analogy - A GOOD analogy for what Bikram is doing would be for a mainstream musician to cover an ancient Persian musical arrangement, and then sue a music instructor who dared teach his student how to play the same song. Bikram can go nuts copyrighting videos of him demonstrating "his" techniques, but he crosses a line when he goes on to copyright the techniques themselves.
"I challenge you to find me someone who, before Bikram, organized these 26 specific postures into the precise order he has coupled with the precise dialogue he uses. You will not find anyone who has done this. Why?"
Because there isn't a single Yogi out there who felt as if thousands of years of tradition was theirs to own BESIDES Bikram. I'd be dollars to donuts that every possible combination of every yoga pose ever has been done before - Bikram was just the first to decide that a particular variation was HIS rather than OURS.
"This is why he cannot copyright the Vinyasa flow any more than he can a sun salutation. He didn’t create them!"
He didn't create the postures and poses that are a part of "his" sequences, either - So why exactly is it right for him to "own" these again?
"I very much enjoy his control over Bikram studios because I know that I can go to any Bikram studio in the world (and they are all over the world) and have the same wonderful and familiar experience that leaves me feeling light as a feather and strong as an Ox after class."
The same argument could be made for McDonalds. To each their own, but for myself, I choose variety. I don't WANT to travel to Vancouver and have the exact same experience I have everywhere else.
"Take a class and see for yourself."
I have, and honestly I found the whole experience to be far to
aggressive" for my tastes.
"By the way, exactly what “culture” of yours is being threatened here? Are you talking about American culture?"
I'm talking about HUMAN culture, the same culture that is being whilttled away at day after day by people just like Bikram who are using intellectual property laws to stifle innovation, limit fair use, and silence criticism.
"Music is every bit as ancient as yoga and yet nobody has a problem with anyone copyrighting the organization of a mere 12 notes into a certain order!
Like I said, have at copyrighting a recording - You've crossed a line into my own personal autonomy, though, when you start telling me that I can't sit in my own house and strum out a half-assed rendition of "Stairway to Heaven", or teach my buddy how to play "Smoke on the Water".
"Holotone is way out of line here and if anyone wears their ass as a hat it is him"
Busting out the name-calling already, huh? Looks like all that Bikram's Yoga has been doing your soul and spirit a lot of good. Don't worry though, I wouldn't dare fuck with you - I'm sure you've got balls like atom bombs after all of that "extreme" yoga.
But I eventually gave it up because of the way the class is run. There's no joy in it. None. Not when the instructors are up there with the comments to "go farther that you think you can" and such. This is right after "this is your own practice." well...which is it? seems to me they are just inviting injuries....which does happen in Bikram's.
It's too bad that it's run like it is. I would still be going if it wasn't for the "i know what's best for you" attitude of the instructors. i've competed in sports since i was a kid....putting in up to 20 hours a week some years with training. i studied hard to learn how my body best responds to stress and rest. Bikram's was a large part of that at one time....and i do miss it. But it really gets old being "corrected" by someone who doesn't know me, my goals, or my physical history.
It's been a couple of years since I've been, and I think I'd like to go back at times. But I keep running into folks that I used to see there, and it seems that everyone I knew from past classes has left. There's one friend that was hanging on because she had a years pass. But since the calendar just changed...she's out too.
If a yoga person is reading this and wants to do a "hot yoga" in another setting. I'd be there in a heartbeat. And as much as elfman wants to defend it (and it's understandable...when bikrams is good, it's really good) you would get sued by Bikram even if you weren't doing the moves. I had a family member who went through the Bikram training.....and ran a yoga studio (not a Bikram's one) for years. She always mentioned when there were lawsuits.....and there were a lot!
Bikram the man is for me separate from Bikram yoga the practice, which is a very personal one.
I encourage anyone who is on the fence to not only attend a class, but to read Bikram's newest book, Bikram Yoga: The Guru Behind Hot Yoga Shows the Way to Radiant Health and Personal Fulfillment and after having read the book and attended a class or even several classes, decide if Bikram Yoga is right for you.
An interesting news item that has been ignored in this discussion is the lawsuit brought against Bikram by Open Source Yoga Unity, which was settled in 2005. From the OSYU website:
Bikram Choudhury ("Bikram") and Open Source Yoga Unity ("OSYU") announced today that they have settled the litigation between them involving OSYU's claim that Bikram's copyrights and trademarks relating to BIKRAM YOGA are invalid, and that Bikram engaged in copyright misuse by sending out cease and desist letters. The parties have reached a mutually satisfactory resolution of their differences, and the lawsuit has been dismissed.
Open Source Yoga Unity
One of the things that yoga teaches us is to find union, in our outer and inner lives. A balance- which is to say perspective, of our lives. It may give us insight into ourselves, or of our place in the grand scheme of things.
This is for each of us to determine, individually what our truth is. And for Bikram his truth was to create a specific formula- these words, these poses, this temperature- and copyright it. Personally, I don't agree with this philosophy and do not hesitate to share these thoughts with anyone who asks. I find my truth is just not to support a Bikram practice. But if I come across someone who feels that Bikram-style of yoga is a great thing for them, I respectfully share my opinions, but don't pass judgement on them for choosing that style.
I have tried a Bikram class at the studio in Missoula, though it was years ago. I have not gone to another one since then...though I have gone on to study other forms of yoga.
There are many styles that are consistent from studio to studio without having to copyright their techniques. Sivananda yoga for example has a set sequence of 12 poses and starts with a specific prayer and ends with another specific prayer, from class to class, across the globe. And there is no attempt to copyright. Ashtanga classes are a specific set of poses from class to class across the globe, and though P. Jois is no angel- he still does not copyright his sequence.
Ultimately Bikram is looking to make money- bottom line. Duh, right? But I guess what makes this so outrageous is that he is applying this business shrewdness in the context of yoga, a non-denominational practice that ultimately was developed for the sole (or soul, he he) purpose of aiding an individual to achieve samadhi (enlightenment) or at least daharana (concentration- clear mind) And here is this guy who decides to make a profit...well that is his karma to work out in the end anyway.
Yoga has been around for thousands of years, and will be hopefully for thousands more, and it will continue to evolve as do we. The culture of yoga in America is so rich with diveristy from Anusara, Viniyoga, Integral, Yin, Vinyasa, Ashtanga, Iyengar, Sivananda, Siddah, Bikram, and more that it is easy to find a style that suits one's tastes.
Though I am sure it is inevitable that there will be disagreements in terms of style and technique throughout a yoga community, hopefully we all remember that it is a beautiful thing that we have all found this practice (whatever yours may be) because I believe that the more people doing yoga, the better our world will be.
Thanks for the Open Source yoga link re: the settlement - Glad to hear that an amicable agreement was reached!
@melanie:
Well said - I couldn't agree more!
You dismissed my “12 music notes” analogy as a "poor one" without any explanation as to why. Then, you give me an alternate analogy that further brings to light your misunderstanding of copyright law. An "ancient Persian musical arrangement" would unquestionably be in the public domain in the year 2008. HOWEVER, that "ancient... arrangement" would have been copyrightable (if US Copyright laws were in effect) 5,000 years ago (or whenever the arrangement was created) and the arranger could have sued those who committed an infringement! Again, I say... the arrangement exists because it is made up of notes organized in a particular way. This is what makes it copyrightable. Bikram Yoga will eventually be in the public domain as well. Notes and Yoga postures last forever but copyrights do not.
Bikram decided that this particular arrangement and combination of postures and dialogue was “his”, as you put it, because he created and developed it... he did not decide that the postures themselves were his. He arranged them and created an accompanying dialogue. He has never sued anyone for performing Triangle pose. He has sued those who have attempted to profit from the use of his very specific and UNIQUE arrangement of postures and the UNIQUE dialogue that goes with it.
I explained that I enjoy the consistency seen around the world in the teachers and studios of those who have attended Bikram Yoga College and teach in his way. I didn’t say YOU had to like it. Yet, you try to disparage my credibility and personal preferences by attempting to associate me with a very unhealthy fast food restaurant chain. This is ridiculous and simply bad spirited. I am happy that you took a Bikram class at some point. If Bikram was too aggressive for your tastes that is fine. I do not judge you for that and you should not judge me for my preferences.
Your “stairway to heaven” scenario, once again, shows that you do not understand copyright laws whatsoever. You can play this song on your guitar in your home or elsewhere all that you wish (as long as it is not a music store <-- this is a joke if it is not obvious. It is reference to a movie) with no royalties payable. You can even teach your buddy to play. Robert Plant could sue you but he would lose. However, if you want to publicly perform or record this song for profit then you better be prepared to pay royalties or you will lose in court. You may not realize it but when you go into a bar and hear music playing over the speakers that bar is paying (or at least is supposed to be) royalties! Technically, Brooks’ yoga class (the business) that plays music could very likely be required to pay royalties for its playback during class!
Finally, you accuse ME of “name-calling” only after you came in here right off the bat with your guns drawn calling Bikram an “Asshat”. On Bikram’s behalf, I throw the same derogatory remark back at you and now I am the “name-caller”. Then, you mock my yoga practice and the benefits I have received as a result. Furthermore, I never referred to Bikram Yoga as “extreme” and your sarcastic characterization of it as such makes me feel like you are probably a very angry and bitter person. I don’t see much point in trying to debate or discuss any of this with you further. I wish you the best in life.
@Holotone, I get your frustration, I don't get your rancor.
@Elfman, practice Raja Yoga much? Chill out, Dude.
@Brooke, thanks for the interview, and for your thoughtful responses to the comments.
@TD, I feel you. Not sure where you practiced, but in Missoula, I'd have to disagree until recently. The former studio owner and many of the former teachers were able to, within the prescribed Dialog, infuse into each class their own personalities, as well as a tangible love, respect and genuine care for their students. The one holdover from the old BYCOI days in Missoula still manages to keep it real, and I'm sure her students appreciate it.
The new owner, Ms. Gustafson, has not done this. She moved to Missoula from AZ and it seems the move was mostly a business move, and it shows. She has turned the lobby into a marketing/shopping area and the classes that she teaches are ALWAYS the exact same, except for the temperature (see below). Same inflection of voice, almost no corrections for students. And she jacked up the prices without taking into account that, sure, while other Bikram Yoga™ studios across the country may charge more, students in those bigger cities earn higher wages than folks here in Missoula, and can afford to pay those higher prices. She lost me soon after she took the proverbial throne in front of the room.
The original interview here seems like it was supposed to be a marketing platform for Ms. Gustafson. Maybe it still is. Anyone else find it curious that she has not weighed in on the discussion?
Lastly, about Ms. Gustafson's new regime at Bikram Yoga™ Missoula, she ignores the guidelines for room temperature and humidity prescribed by Bikram himself. She keeps the room between 105º and 110º with humidity hovering between 40% (recommended) and 50%.
Oh, and these arguments about Bikram Yoga™ in general have been going on for a long time. Holotone wasn't the first one to refer to Bikram Yoga™ as McYoga.
While I miss being in the hot room practicing, right now, it is not for me. Maybe sometime in the future it could be again. I wish Ms. Gustafson the best in her new venture.
I am shocked that so many people (especially holotone) have come forward to speak with such disdain about Bikram Yoga. Why has Bikram himself become such an issue here, and why did Brooke even open that book of worms in her interview? I thought this was an article about Lora Gustafson and the studio. This studio has brought such life changes and healing to so many people in our community and around the world. I am also very happy that I can go to any large city and find a Biram studio and be able to join in the class. Having the knowledge is one of the things that makes me comfortable in walking into a class I've never been to before. I know that the teacher will be direct, educated and I know my 26 postures and 2 breathing exercises. That is actually a great and comforting feeling. Yes, I do think of it as "my meditation", but if you don't get to that place you will just think of it as someone "talking at you" (I can not and will not use the word "jarring" because that's a horrible word and does not make sense when talking about yoga).
It's funny, Bikram himself writes in his book about how statistically the United States makes up only about 5 percent of the population, but its people seem to complain more than the rest of the world combined! Before any of you start to have a high-speed panic attack over that, you may need to read the book in order to let yourself know that he is not necessarily being mean (he loves the States and is truly happy for living here). He is reminding us that we live in a country that is very rich, and yet we are not a happy nation. He is trying in a small way to help people to find that happiness in life. I am seeing this unhappiness in reading these comments. Here are people that can not seem to let others enjoy something as simple as 26 postures. Yes, these are 26 postures with the copyrite of the language that goes along with the sequence; and many of us are happy about that. By the way, why is everyone up in arms about Bikram copyriting his language and how the class is run? Does everyone here not realize that there are so many things copyrited that we can not keep up. Look at "The Last Best Place", yes a phrase or words can be a copyrite. elfman is so right as well about music. I would hope everyone knows that you had better not try to play your little music cds in your business or you are infringing on a copyrite law. That music is helping to sell an item...whether that be food, clothing or even...yoga.
Do I want to take such strenuous classes from someone who is not a certified Bikram's teacher ? Do I want to take these difficult classes from someone who is randomly throwing out words and moves that don't make sense? No. I have chosen Bikram Yoga, and I'm extremely happy with my decision to live a better life for myself. This yoga changed my life and my body, that can not be a bad thing. I tried other yoga. You know, the really gentle yoga that has you flowing like a stream...thinking of your favorite sunset...for me, falling asleep. It was a great little stretch, but it was never the mind/body workout that I needed. Every person is different, that's what makes this such a great world to live in.
Now, holotone should just find some other little tangent to get his hands on and leave Bikram alone. I'm sure there's someone out there doing much worse things in the world than this man who is changing lives. And as for Brooke, shame on you for writing an article and then becoming controversial. That is not the ethical way to become a news writer in a small town (and just remember that it hurts when you want advertisers). I'm guessing Lora won't want to have a an ad on the page like Laura Bender did or Big Sky Brewery. You should always stay neutral in a situation like you're in. I would not be surprised if your boss were just a bit upset by this.
I do want to interject that the previous owner of the studio was fantastic, and so is the new one. They both have their own way of teaching, while keeping in the structure of the practice. Things change, people move here from other places. This is not always bad, and this does not have to be a horrible thing. If people could envelop the diverse way that everyone does things it would be a much happier place.
It's really sad that just because Lora has turned her studio into a business, that some people are finding that to be a bad thing. Shouldn't we want any business to grow and do well? She is certainly not hurting anyone, and I have found only pleasure in the surroundings. Prices change, styles change, life changes. To stay the same would have been to the detriment of the studio. Does anyone understand overhead or is it just me?
The rancor is likely borne of frustration with watching intellectual property law being used time after time after time to squelch dissent, restrict innovation, muzzle creativity, and enrich the few at the cost of our shared culture. The implications of this type of behavior go well beyond yoga.
@elfman:
My apologies if I'd given you the impression that my rant against Bikram Choudhury (and by extension intellectual property trolls like him) was directed at anyone other than Bikram himself. I don't doubt that Bikram practitioners are engaging in their craft with anything other than the purest of intentions.
Deeeeeep breaths.
Other people pay to go to an Ashtanga class. Why does nobody attack them? How dare those yoga teachers profit from their practice! I am sure the distinction will be pointed out that the instructors have not copyrighted their routine. This argument should not be made by anyone who does not understand copyright law and it appears that many here do not. Do you fault an artist for receiving a royalty when his music is played in a department store? I bet not.
@former Bikram yoga practitioner: You do realize, do you not, that you criticize Lora for "ignoring" Bikram's guidelines only to post a link to the guidelines showing that she is doing EXACTLY what Bikram suggests! Notice that the MINIMUM temperature is 105 degrees. As you said, Lora keeps the room between 105 and 110... right on the money. The suggested humidity level is 40%. You criticize Lora for keeping it between 40 and 50 percent!! Geez! Close enough! Do you know how hard it is to regulate the humidity? If you have gone to class recently you would see that Lora has gone to great lengths to maintain a consistent environment (plastic on the windows, new heaters, etc.).
"Other people pay to go to an Ashtanga class. Why does nobody attack them? How dare those yoga teachers profit from their practice!"
When I go to a yoga class, I am paying for instruction - NOT fo the instructors "license" to teach me the sequence itself. The same logic applies when I take piano lessons - I'm paying for the instructors time and expertise, not for the right to play Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 3.
f you learn to play a copyrighted work (I believe Rachmaninoff is now in the public domain) from your piano teacher and then you wish to go perform that work publicly for profit then you will be required to pay a royalty. Same thing with Bikram Yoga... if you want to profit from teaching his very unique style of yoga then you will need to pay him a royalty.
It seems to me that you need to read up on copyright laws if you wish to take this any further. I do not claim to be an expert on the subject but my undergraduate degree is in music and my graduate degree is a Juris Doctor. Granted, I am not a practicing attorney anymore but I do remember a few things about copyright law.
"Yes, you are paying to be instructed at Ashtanga. This is exactly the same thing you pay for when you go to Bikram. What is the difference?"
In a Bikram's class, I am paying for Bikram's royalty _in addition to_ the instruction itself. No thanks.
"If you learn to play a copyrighted work from your piano teacher and then you wish to go perform that work publicly for profit then you will be required to pay a royalty."
But the real question is - Did my instructor have to pay the original composer for the right to teach me how to play the copyrighted work?
"Same thing with Bikram Yoga... if you want to profit from teaching his very unique style of yoga then you will need to pay him a royalty."
I'm not questioning the legal validity of the arrangement - I'm questioning the MORAL validity. In my opinion, Bikram has no more right to arrange thousands of years of tradition into an "ownable" form than I would to rearrange the bible and sell _that_.
You are paying what the owner of the studio decides to charge and you will find that most Bikram studios are price competitive with just about any other yoga studio out there. Furthermore, if I read the article correctly Lora said that Bikram does NOT charge them a royalty! Maybe you should ask Lora about what she pays to Bikram rather than make assumptions.
There are "fair use" exceptions to copyright law one of which includes education. Your teacher could teach you to play without the requirement of a royalty. Again, learn the law if you wish to argue about it.
You say you do not question the legal validity of the arrangement but then you complain about it as if it is NOT legal at all. Laws are most often based in morality. If you believe this is so wrong then perhaps you should lobby to modify copyright laws rather than picking a single target like Bikram and then mouthing off about him in a blog without knowing all the facts!
Apparantly yoga brings out a passion in people that is unmerciful...I will take that passion with me to my next Bikram Yoga class, and have a very fulfilling 90 minutes. For anyone who is not knowledgeable about the practice...it will make you love harder, live stronger and apparantly fight with avengence for what you believe.
It's like boxing with down pillows, Hello Kitty outfits, and no actual hitting.
Guess what I'm saying is that from the outside, you people just sound hilarious.
I know because of her business sense she is preparing for the future when she can grow the studio larger. I feel secure that she can pay the rent and will be here next year because of her smart business practices.
It is also important to note that Lora is NOT the only instructor, so I would ask "Former" to return and come to classes with one of the 3 -4 teachers she strikes a fancy to.
What is being forgotten here is the healing power of this practice. I have tried other yogas but none has had the impact on my life and health as Bikram's.
When I started last year I had carpel tunnel, and tennis elbow from sitting hours in front of a computer. Now due to the practice those are gone. My bad knees are being healed. I am over 50 years old and I can safely say I am the most limber person amongst my group of peers and friends.
While it is not a party trick for me to bend over front ways and backwards to impress others, I know that many of my friends are already considering hip replacements and knee replacements. They are willing to pay dearly for those....but if I mention going to Yoga...oh that is too expensive for them to do. It is sad.
So for folks like me Bikram has been a life saver. I guess I have lived long enough to know that you can not please all of the people all of the time, and I guess that is why I like Bikram so much. He doesn't give a rats ass what you think. I find that refreshing....and the practice he has put together...healing.
So if you don't like Bikram...or McDonalds, than don't go there.
Anyone else with Chronic Fatique Syndrome out there? Extreme heat has sacked me but have you had good experience with hot yoga..or bikram.....? If os I would like to hear!!!
On Bikram's website http://www.bikramyoga.com there is a button on the left that says testimonials, click that, scroll down to nervous system, there you will find someone's experience with CFS. Hope it helps.
Oh my, I could not read all the way through the comments on Bikram and yoga that this article by New West has "inspired". But if Bikram's practice of Vinyasa yoga does not suit one... then don't practice it.
We are very fortunate in Missoula to have some outstanding yoga instructors at this studio and other studios in town. I trust most everyone will find a yoga style that works best for them, whether in a studio or at home. That is what it is all about.
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